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5/17/12 - TheStarPhoenix - A report set for city council in June will outline where in the city adult service businesses such as escort agencies can operate, a necessary step after council in March endorsed a new adult services bylaw aimed at regulating parts of Saskatoon's sex trade industry by issuing business licences to escorts and escort agencies.

The report outlines that adult services - the broad term for escort agencies, erotic massage parlours or so-called lingerie models - operate only in areas zoned heavy or light industrial.The proposed zoning amendment would also allow individual escorts to operate out of home-based businesses, but only as offices that don't take clients or "in-calls." The bylaw would allow home-based businesses to "provide adult services of on an out-call basis only,"

The proposal is drawing criticism from a University of Toronto professor, who says concentrating the parlours in low-traffic industrial areas is a safety risk for escorts."The general principle should be you put these businesses where there are already similar business with similar hours and uses. Any place you can put a bar you should be able to put an escort service. What you don't do is isolate them and stigmatize them and heighten risk for the workers."

ESCORT AGENCY LOCATION RULES ELSEWHERE

Calgary: Dating and escort agencies permitted in zoning districts that allow for office use and home-based businesses on an outcall basis only.

Edmonton: Escort agencies allowed in zoning districts that permit professional, financial and office support services. There are also licences for "body rub" practitioners.

Winnipeg: Escort agencies are prohibited as home-based businesses, but are allowed in specific commercial and industrial zoning districts provided they are at least 1,000 feet away from a residential area, park or recreational district, a place of worship, a school, or another adult service business.

Dave notes, "bylaws" are not "LAWS" like in the U.S. They are licensing/zoning requirements. Bylaw officers NOT POLICE enforce. You pay a fine for violations and if have enough violations they can shut down the business location.]]>
5/17/12 - TheStarPhoenix - A report set for city council in June will outline where in the city adult service businesses such as escort agencies can operate, a necessary step after council in March endorsed a new adult services bylaw aimed at regulating parts of Saskatoon's sex trade industry by issuing business licences to escorts and escort agencies.

The report outlines that adult services - the broad term for escort agencies, erotic massage parlours or so-called lingerie models - operate only in areas zoned heavy or light industrial.The proposed zoning amendment would also allow individual escorts to operate out of home-based businesses, but only as offices that don't take clients or "in-calls." The bylaw would allow home-based businesses to "provide adult services of on an out-call basis only,"

The proposal is drawing criticism from a University of Toronto professor, who says concentrating the parlours in low-traffic industrial areas is a safety risk for escorts."The general principle should be you put these businesses where there are already similar business with similar hours and uses. Any place you can put a bar you should be able to put an escort service. What you don't do is isolate them and stigmatize them and heighten risk for the workers."

ESCORT AGENCY LOCATION RULES ELSEWHERE

Calgary: Dating and escort agencies permitted in zoning districts that allow for office use and home-based businesses on an outcall basis only.

Edmonton: Escort agencies allowed in zoning districts that permit professional, financial and office support services. There are also licences for "body rub" practitioners.

Winnipeg: Escort agencies are prohibited as home-based businesses, but are allowed in specific commercial and industrial zoning districts provided they are at least 1,000 feet away from a residential area, park or recreational district, a place of worship, a school, or another adult service business.

Dave notes, "bylaws" are not "LAWS" like in the U.S. They are licensing/zoning requirements. Bylaw officers NOT POLICE enforce. You pay a fine for violations and if have enough violations they can shut down the business location.]]> http://phxlist.com/forum/showthread.php?tid=3255 Fri, 18 May 2012 09:16:33 +0000 http://phxlist.com/forum/showthread.php?tid=3255
(Dave notes I so much enjoyed the HUGE Niagara clubs, especially the Eastern European women. Full contact nude totally legal as long no "penetration" to avoid bawdy house law - which has now been declared unconstitutional.)

5/17/12 - Toronto Sun - Some cops in Niagara Region are being accused of ‘targeting’ exotic dancers due to a lack of prostitution-related cases to deal with since Ontario hooker laws are being appealed, says Tim Lambrinos, of the Exotic Dancers Association of Canada. Lambrinos said there’s been several complaints from dancers in Niagara Region, who allege they are being harassed, intimidated or followed by police.

There are nine strip clubs in the region and they employ up to 900 dancers and other staff. Members of the (police) force gained notoriety after raiding a high-profile Niagara Falls strip show headlined by U.S. porn star Nikki Benz to ensure that dancers had permits. About 40 strippers were forced to undergo security checks in front of 500 patrons by members of the force’s Licencing Unit.

Toronto and some other police forces have said they’ve placed some investigations into prostitution related cases on hold pending the legal challenge. Ontario prostitution laws were struck down allowing sex workers to conduct business in homes and brothels as long as there is enough security. An appeal has been filed before the Ontario Court of Appeal.

The association is also calling for female cops to patrol and investigate strip clubs. “We are talking about naked women in a club,” Lambrinos said. “Some of the male cops are seeking dates or favours with the women.”

A reader comments: Is that a billy club in your pocket or are you just happy to frisk me officer.]]>
(Dave notes I so much enjoyed the HUGE Niagara clubs, especially the Eastern European women. Full contact nude totally legal as long no "penetration" to avoid bawdy house law - which has now been declared unconstitutional.)

5/17/12 - Toronto Sun - Some cops in Niagara Region are being accused of ‘targeting’ exotic dancers due to a lack of prostitution-related cases to deal with since Ontario hooker laws are being appealed, says Tim Lambrinos, of the Exotic Dancers Association of Canada. Lambrinos said there’s been several complaints from dancers in Niagara Region, who allege they are being harassed, intimidated or followed by police.

There are nine strip clubs in the region and they employ up to 900 dancers and other staff. Members of the (police) force gained notoriety after raiding a high-profile Niagara Falls strip show headlined by U.S. porn star Nikki Benz to ensure that dancers had permits. About 40 strippers were forced to undergo security checks in front of 500 patrons by members of the force’s Licencing Unit.

Toronto and some other police forces have said they’ve placed some investigations into prostitution related cases on hold pending the legal challenge. Ontario prostitution laws were struck down allowing sex workers to conduct business in homes and brothels as long as there is enough security. An appeal has been filed before the Ontario Court of Appeal.

The association is also calling for female cops to patrol and investigate strip clubs. “We are talking about naked women in a club,” Lambrinos said. “Some of the male cops are seeking dates or favours with the women.”

A reader comments: Is that a billy club in your pocket or are you just happy to frisk me officer.]]> http://phxlist.com/forum/showthread.php?tid=3254 Mon, 14 May 2012 07:41:09 +0000 http://phxlist.com/forum/showthread.php?tid=3254
5/10/12 - A Spanish company is offering professional courses in prostitution, which ‘guarantees a job offer on graduation. For just 100 euros, students will be taught the history of the world’s oldest profession, how to use erotic toys and the most popular positions contained within the Kama Sutra.

According to the ABC News, what they learn in the series of theory and practical classes will enable them to “earn a lot of money, very easily and quickly,” the Daily Mail reported. The venture has attracted much criticism in the predominantly Catholic country, with many saying it is the wrong way to tempt cash-strapped Spaniards back into work.

But the Valencian firm, which has flooded the city’s university campus with promotional flyers, said that it will make the trade safer. It will also ensure budding sex-workers will not fall foul of the law, with in depth descriptions of the industry’s laws and how to work around them. “They will know what they are getting in to,” Brandon, who has run the one-week course for eight years, said. “Prostitution is a career that many people live off from day to day, whether they are single or have a partner,” he added.

He said that 95 people, from the age of 19 to 45, had signed up to the diploma, which takes up two hours each day. Once they graduate, they receive their first job offer, to become a teacher in the ‘”school” where they can help in practical classes.

Note prostitution in Spain - Decriminalized in 1995. Prostitution itself is not directly addressed in the Criminal Code of Spain. However exploitation such as Pimping is illegal.

Video and original report (but in Spanish) at http://www.abc.es/20120508/local-comunid...81015.html]]>
5/10/12 - A Spanish company is offering professional courses in prostitution, which ‘guarantees a job offer on graduation. For just 100 euros, students will be taught the history of the world’s oldest profession, how to use erotic toys and the most popular positions contained within the Kama Sutra.

According to the ABC News, what they learn in the series of theory and practical classes will enable them to “earn a lot of money, very easily and quickly,” the Daily Mail reported. The venture has attracted much criticism in the predominantly Catholic country, with many saying it is the wrong way to tempt cash-strapped Spaniards back into work.

But the Valencian firm, which has flooded the city’s university campus with promotional flyers, said that it will make the trade safer. It will also ensure budding sex-workers will not fall foul of the law, with in depth descriptions of the industry’s laws and how to work around them. “They will know what they are getting in to,” Brandon, who has run the one-week course for eight years, said. “Prostitution is a career that many people live off from day to day, whether they are single or have a partner,” he added.

He said that 95 people, from the age of 19 to 45, had signed up to the diploma, which takes up two hours each day. Once they graduate, they receive their first job offer, to become a teacher in the ‘”school” where they can help in practical classes.

Note prostitution in Spain - Decriminalized in 1995. Prostitution itself is not directly addressed in the Criminal Code of Spain. However exploitation such as Pimping is illegal.

Video and original report (but in Spanish) at http://www.abc.es/20120508/local-comunid...81015.html]]> http://phxlist.com/forum/showthread.php?tid=3253 Mon, 14 May 2012 07:12:14 +0000 http://phxlist.com/forum/showthread.php?tid=3253
5/12/12 - Toronto Sun Highlights - Regarding the Court of Appeals upholding repeal of bawdy house (incall law) - The uncertainty has led to Toronto Police stopping some vice investigations as a law is challenged in the Court of Appeal for Ontario.This follows a ruling that sex workers should be able to conduct business in homes and brothels with proper security to protect the women.

Amanda, 28, and a roommate, have been operating a thriving escort service for about four years. They claim they're making "good money" and have never had a bad date. Their services are offered solely via an online presence. "We are pretty good at screening the men who come here," says the Mississauga-born former bank worker who got into the sex trade after being let go from a downtown job. "We don't give them the address or apartment number until we know who they are." The phone in the apartment rings constantly as clients, both men and women, book appointments that can cost up to $240 hourly for sex, bondage, role playing, foot fetish, domination and other techniques. "My clients are from all cultures and their age ranges from 18 to 75," Amanda says. "Many of them are repeat customers who won't go anywhere else."

She advertises her services on the Internet and has a stable of clients. Her website has a calendar where clients can book dates. She's never had a problem with police or authorities prying into her business.

Toronto councillor Giorgio Mammoliti says the rules governing escort agencies and massage parlours are not being enforced due to the current legal challenge. "This is still a major issue in most communities," Mammoliti says. "We as municipalities cannot do anything to take enforcement action." Mammoliti estimates there are about 3,000 agencies, including massage parlours, bawdy houses, brothels and spas scattered throughout the city. Most are unregulated and anything goes, he says. As politicians and vice cops await a ruling, an aggressive campaign is underway by escort agencies to lure clients by offering discounts and making it easier to view, book and pay for dates online. Most agencies use websites or newspapers to advertise their services. They provide photos of their escorts, a lengthy list of the various sex acts they provide, and a price list.

Dave notes agencies are the incall ones, never been an issue with outcall or agencies since outcall has always been legal as are ads etc.]]>
5/12/12 - Toronto Sun Highlights - Regarding the Court of Appeals upholding repeal of bawdy house (incall law) - The uncertainty has led to Toronto Police stopping some vice investigations as a law is challenged in the Court of Appeal for Ontario.This follows a ruling that sex workers should be able to conduct business in homes and brothels with proper security to protect the women.

Amanda, 28, and a roommate, have been operating a thriving escort service for about four years. They claim they're making "good money" and have never had a bad date. Their services are offered solely via an online presence. "We are pretty good at screening the men who come here," says the Mississauga-born former bank worker who got into the sex trade after being let go from a downtown job. "We don't give them the address or apartment number until we know who they are." The phone in the apartment rings constantly as clients, both men and women, book appointments that can cost up to $240 hourly for sex, bondage, role playing, foot fetish, domination and other techniques. "My clients are from all cultures and their age ranges from 18 to 75," Amanda says. "Many of them are repeat customers who won't go anywhere else."

She advertises her services on the Internet and has a stable of clients. Her website has a calendar where clients can book dates. She's never had a problem with police or authorities prying into her business.

Toronto councillor Giorgio Mammoliti says the rules governing escort agencies and massage parlours are not being enforced due to the current legal challenge. "This is still a major issue in most communities," Mammoliti says. "We as municipalities cannot do anything to take enforcement action." Mammoliti estimates there are about 3,000 agencies, including massage parlours, bawdy houses, brothels and spas scattered throughout the city. Most are unregulated and anything goes, he says. As politicians and vice cops await a ruling, an aggressive campaign is underway by escort agencies to lure clients by offering discounts and making it easier to view, book and pay for dates online. Most agencies use websites or newspapers to advertise their services. They provide photos of their escorts, a lengthy list of the various sex acts they provide, and a price list.

Dave notes agencies are the incall ones, never been an issue with outcall or agencies since outcall has always been legal as are ads etc.]]> http://phxlist.com/forum/showthread.php?tid=3252 Thu, 10 May 2012 09:35:35 +0000 http://phxlist.com/forum/showthread.php?tid=3252
5/2/12- A public meeting was held at Scottsdale police district 3 to allow interested parties to give input to Scottsdale, Arizona officials regarding the proposed changes to the City's Massage Facilities License Ordinance. This was the third and final meeting before the ordinance is finalized and sent to City Council for a planned vote on July 3, 2012.

The meeting was run by Scott Popp, Commander in the Scottsdale Police Department. He was assisted by Officer Steve Toubus, who is charged with investigating and enforcing massage laws in Scottsdale; and Terry Hoglund, Tax and License Manager. About a dozen individuals attended and everyone that spoke was either a massage therapist or owned or managed a massage business.

Substantial changes have been made to the current ordinance and the original revised ordinance in response to feedback from massage business owners. The City has truly listened to all concerned parties as evidenced by the changes made to the ordinance in a process that is a model of efficiency, cooperation, and respect for the business community. Other cities throughout the nation could learn a great deal by following the example set by Scottsdale in this process.

Commander Popp gave an short introductory speech before opening up the session to questions. The main questions, concerns and answers were as follows:

Every massage facility must have an on-site manager who must carry a card issue by the city. Some commented about the additional burden of this requirement, however, Commander Popp reiterated the importance of having an accountable individual at each massage business that the police can identify and speak with. The Commander said they will clarify that an on-site manager only needs to be present while massage therapy is actually taking place.

The City has said it will clarify that massage therapy may be provided after 10pm as long as they begin before 10pm.

According to the ordinance, massage therapy students in Scottsdale will not be allowed to accept tips. This is contrary to Arizona statute 32-4221 and could make Scottsdale schools less competitive when recruiting students compared to Phoenix schools and others which may allow tipping. Although no representatives from a massage school were present, this was mentioned and will be considered by the City.

The ordinance conflicts with ARS 32-4253 B2 (d) concerning draping of clients. This may be a violation of Arizona State law as municipalities "shall not impose regulations that are inconsistent with this chapter." (ARS. 32-4258 B.) The Commander said he will take this to the City's legal advisers but "it is unlikely it will be changed".

The entire ordinance can be read on Scottsdale's Website http://www.scottsdaleaz.gov/codes/massage where you will also find contact informationmassage laws. If you have any information about illicit or illegal massage activities in Scottsdale please use that website to inform Officer Toubus. Complaints can also be filed anonymously through the website.

http://www.examiner.com/article/scottsda...-ordinance]]>
5/2/12- A public meeting was held at Scottsdale police district 3 to allow interested parties to give input to Scottsdale, Arizona officials regarding the proposed changes to the City's Massage Facilities License Ordinance. This was the third and final meeting before the ordinance is finalized and sent to City Council for a planned vote on July 3, 2012.

The meeting was run by Scott Popp, Commander in the Scottsdale Police Department. He was assisted by Officer Steve Toubus, who is charged with investigating and enforcing massage laws in Scottsdale; and Terry Hoglund, Tax and License Manager. About a dozen individuals attended and everyone that spoke was either a massage therapist or owned or managed a massage business.

Substantial changes have been made to the current ordinance and the original revised ordinance in response to feedback from massage business owners. The City has truly listened to all concerned parties as evidenced by the changes made to the ordinance in a process that is a model of efficiency, cooperation, and respect for the business community. Other cities throughout the nation could learn a great deal by following the example set by Scottsdale in this process.

Commander Popp gave an short introductory speech before opening up the session to questions. The main questions, concerns and answers were as follows:

Every massage facility must have an on-site manager who must carry a card issue by the city. Some commented about the additional burden of this requirement, however, Commander Popp reiterated the importance of having an accountable individual at each massage business that the police can identify and speak with. The Commander said they will clarify that an on-site manager only needs to be present while massage therapy is actually taking place.

The City has said it will clarify that massage therapy may be provided after 10pm as long as they begin before 10pm.

According to the ordinance, massage therapy students in Scottsdale will not be allowed to accept tips. This is contrary to Arizona statute 32-4221 and could make Scottsdale schools less competitive when recruiting students compared to Phoenix schools and others which may allow tipping. Although no representatives from a massage school were present, this was mentioned and will be considered by the City.

The ordinance conflicts with ARS 32-4253 B2 (d) concerning draping of clients. This may be a violation of Arizona State law as municipalities "shall not impose regulations that are inconsistent with this chapter." (ARS. 32-4258 B.) The Commander said he will take this to the City's legal advisers but "it is unlikely it will be changed".

The entire ordinance can be read on Scottsdale's Website http://www.scottsdaleaz.gov/codes/massage where you will also find contact informationmassage laws. If you have any information about illicit or illegal massage activities in Scottsdale please use that website to inform Officer Toubus. Complaints can also be filed anonymously through the website.

http://www.examiner.com/article/scottsda...-ordinance]]> http://phxlist.com/forum/showthread.php?tid=3251 Sun, 06 May 2012 05:28:11 +0000 http://phxlist.com/forum/showthread.php?tid=3251
5/5/12 - John St. Marie, a former assistant Hennepin County attorney who was spared prison time in the prior case for health reasons, was charged after allegedly arranging to see a prostitute. John St. Marie, who was convicted in 2010 of running a prostitution ring for well-to-do men who dubbed themselves the "Minnesota Nice Guys," was caught last month by police allegedly ordering a prostitute for himself at a cost of $600. Because St. Marie is in a wheelchair and needs extensive health care, the judge who sentenced him in the earlier case decided not to send him to prison, noting in part the huge medical costs his incarceration would entail.

But the prostitution charge filed Friday is a violation of his probation. And again, a judge will have to consider St. Marie's health when deciding how to handle the violation.

St. Marie needs round-the-clock health care, which he receives at his home in Minneapolis. He uses a wheelchair because of childhood polio, and can move only his neck and a finger on his left hand. Post-polio syndrome forced him to retire in 2003. If a judge decides St. Marie should be held in custody for the probation violation, it's unclear whether he could be cared for in a jail or would have to be placed in a nursing home. When Ramsey County District Judge Rosanne Nathanson sentenced him last year, she said "incarceration is out of the question in this case." She added: "It wouldn't serve the community."

At that sentencing, St. Marie apologized to the judge for his weakness of character and to the prosecutor for putting her in an awkward spot. He apologized to his wife, his colleagues in Hennepin County and "other persons deserving of my apology." He never acknowledged the women victimized by the prostitution ring.

"I have no acceptable answers for myself or my behavior, other than to say I was very depressed and lonely after my medical condition required me to take early retirement and then saddled me with a tracheotomy and ventilator for the rest of my life," he said at the hearing. St. Marie was placed on probation for up to 15 years and had to attend a "john school" for prostitution offenders.

The case against St. Marie and the "Nice Guys" started in July 2008 and lasted more than a year. Police said St. Marie built a client list of 30 business owners, lawyers, accountants and mortgage bankers who met women at some of Minneapolis' finest hotels. The group got its name because members had clean backgrounds, regarded themselves as above mistreating the women and paid well, police said.

On Friday, St. Marie was charged with a gross misdemeanor prostitution charge in Hennepin County Court. Minneapolis police were notified by a Ramsey County probation officer that St. Marie had set up an appointment with a prostitute at a downtown Minneapolis hotel in April, according to court documents. As part of his probation, his computer was monitored at all times. St. Marie was arrested at the hotel, and police found an envelope containing $599, the documents said. He told police he "wanted companionship" because he gets frustrated, and said that he knew his activity was being monitored and that he was stupid, the documents said. http://www.startribune.com/local/west/150252605.html]]>
5/5/12 - John St. Marie, a former assistant Hennepin County attorney who was spared prison time in the prior case for health reasons, was charged after allegedly arranging to see a prostitute. John St. Marie, who was convicted in 2010 of running a prostitution ring for well-to-do men who dubbed themselves the "Minnesota Nice Guys," was caught last month by police allegedly ordering a prostitute for himself at a cost of $600. Because St. Marie is in a wheelchair and needs extensive health care, the judge who sentenced him in the earlier case decided not to send him to prison, noting in part the huge medical costs his incarceration would entail.

But the prostitution charge filed Friday is a violation of his probation. And again, a judge will have to consider St. Marie's health when deciding how to handle the violation.

St. Marie needs round-the-clock health care, which he receives at his home in Minneapolis. He uses a wheelchair because of childhood polio, and can move only his neck and a finger on his left hand. Post-polio syndrome forced him to retire in 2003. If a judge decides St. Marie should be held in custody for the probation violation, it's unclear whether he could be cared for in a jail or would have to be placed in a nursing home. When Ramsey County District Judge Rosanne Nathanson sentenced him last year, she said "incarceration is out of the question in this case." She added: "It wouldn't serve the community."

At that sentencing, St. Marie apologized to the judge for his weakness of character and to the prosecutor for putting her in an awkward spot. He apologized to his wife, his colleagues in Hennepin County and "other persons deserving of my apology." He never acknowledged the women victimized by the prostitution ring.

"I have no acceptable answers for myself or my behavior, other than to say I was very depressed and lonely after my medical condition required me to take early retirement and then saddled me with a tracheotomy and ventilator for the rest of my life," he said at the hearing. St. Marie was placed on probation for up to 15 years and had to attend a "john school" for prostitution offenders.

The case against St. Marie and the "Nice Guys" started in July 2008 and lasted more than a year. Police said St. Marie built a client list of 30 business owners, lawyers, accountants and mortgage bankers who met women at some of Minneapolis' finest hotels. The group got its name because members had clean backgrounds, regarded themselves as above mistreating the women and paid well, police said.

On Friday, St. Marie was charged with a gross misdemeanor prostitution charge in Hennepin County Court. Minneapolis police were notified by a Ramsey County probation officer that St. Marie had set up an appointment with a prostitute at a downtown Minneapolis hotel in April, according to court documents. As part of his probation, his computer was monitored at all times. St. Marie was arrested at the hotel, and police found an envelope containing $599, the documents said. He told police he "wanted companionship" because he gets frustrated, and said that he knew his activity was being monitored and that he was stupid, the documents said. http://www.startribune.com/local/west/150252605.html]]> http://phxlist.com/forum/showthread.php?tid=3249 Sun, 29 Apr 2012 08:11:36 +0000 http://phxlist.com/forum/showthread.php?tid=3249
OVERCHARGED - Conviction Tossed - Admits prostitution but no felony!
Could be similar to current Phoenix Tempe overcharging of some and might be used to counter plea deal pressure?

4/27/12 - No longer fearful of disbarred Maricopa County Attorney Andrew Thomas, Ferretti, 68, is finally talking about his ordeal

In the Desert Divas case he was pressured into pleading guilty in April 2009 to a felony attempted-pandering charge, but the conviction was vacated after his attorney successfully argued he was grossly overcharged. Ferretti admits he paid for sex and wrote reviews about escorts online, but denies running the prostitution business in any way. He believes he was the victim of prosecutor misconduct.

He had originally been charged with conspiracy to commit illegal control of an enterprise, illegal participation in an enterprise, money laundering and operating or maintaining a prostitution enterprise. He spent five days in an Arizona jail before posting $250,000 bail. He walked out of jail 15 pounds lighter after barely eating while locked up. Then his real ordeal began.

Before moving to Arizona, Ferretti co-founded Medstar Television, also known as Medstar Communications in Allentown, which produces programming for several cable stations, including the medical dramas "Forensic Files" and "Medical Detectives." He was Medstar's chief executive officer until 2006, leaving the company around the time he and his wife sold their Allentown home. He later moved to Arizona

Maricopa County authorities had accused him of being a "key player" in Arizona's largest prostitution ring. Ferretti admits he paid for sex and wrote reviews about escorts online, but denies running the prostitution business in any way. Now, nearly four years later, Ferretti is fighting to gain back his reputation. However he says he is not going to file a lawsuit against the former prosecutor. (Probably many lawsuits against Thomas pending and unlikely to collect even if won)

Despite the case being completely withdrawn, Ferretti has lost much — a board of directors seat in a company he invested in, his long-held lecturer position at Yale University and jobs as a business coach for entrepreneurs and corporate executives. He says even his accountant "dropped me like I was toxic when he read about my arrest."

"Until the disbarment of Andrew Thomas, I couldn't so much as write a letter to (hometown newspaper) because Maricopa County lawyers advised me to keep quiet or else Andrew Thomas (or one of his law enforcement allies) would retaliate against me,"

Authorities in August 2008 identified Ferretti as one of at least nine key players in a high-priced prostitution operation that brought in $250,000 a month. The operation, Night Partners Entertainment, ran a legitimate online escort service under various websites with names such as "Desert Divas" and "Hips Touring," police said. But for an additional $30 monthly fee, customers could gain access to another website that showed women performing sexual acts, filmed by members of the organization. Customers could then hire the women for sex, authorities said.

Ferretti said he pleaded guilty to the felony pandering charge to avoid additional charges he says he was threatened with. He was sentenced to a year of probation, but says after serving about eight months, a probation officer "took it upon himself" to file a motion with the court to have the charges dismissed.

Ferretti said the probation officer told him, "I got into this field to help people. I've read your entire case file. This case is all wrong and I can help you." In February 2010, Ferretti's attorney, Michael Kimerer, filed a motion to have Ferretti's guilty plea vacated and all charges dismissed. A judge agreed and dismissed the case that month. Kimerer said the "massive publicity" from Ferretti's case, which identified him as an operator of a prostitution business, "destroyed his career."

Kimerer said Ferretti was going through a divorce when he paid for sex, but has since remarried. Ferretti didn't want to talk about his family or where he's now living. He did say he's moved twice and is still out West. He hasn't been back to the Lehigh Valley since his arrest. "I've felt too humiliated to be seen there…" he said. "I've regrettably missed many important life events such as weddings and funerals." He says his reputation remains "in the gutter." "I have no idea of how to get it back," he said.

http://articles.mcall.com/2012-04-27/new...ution-case
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OVERCHARGED - Conviction Tossed - Admits prostitution but no felony!
Could be similar to current Phoenix Tempe overcharging of some and might be used to counter plea deal pressure?

4/27/12 - No longer fearful of disbarred Maricopa County Attorney Andrew Thomas, Ferretti, 68, is finally talking about his ordeal

In the Desert Divas case he was pressured into pleading guilty in April 2009 to a felony attempted-pandering charge, but the conviction was vacated after his attorney successfully argued he was grossly overcharged. Ferretti admits he paid for sex and wrote reviews about escorts online, but denies running the prostitution business in any way. He believes he was the victim of prosecutor misconduct.

He had originally been charged with conspiracy to commit illegal control of an enterprise, illegal participation in an enterprise, money laundering and operating or maintaining a prostitution enterprise. He spent five days in an Arizona jail before posting $250,000 bail. He walked out of jail 15 pounds lighter after barely eating while locked up. Then his real ordeal began.

Before moving to Arizona, Ferretti co-founded Medstar Television, also known as Medstar Communications in Allentown, which produces programming for several cable stations, including the medical dramas "Forensic Files" and "Medical Detectives." He was Medstar's chief executive officer until 2006, leaving the company around the time he and his wife sold their Allentown home. He later moved to Arizona

Maricopa County authorities had accused him of being a "key player" in Arizona's largest prostitution ring. Ferretti admits he paid for sex and wrote reviews about escorts online, but denies running the prostitution business in any way. Now, nearly four years later, Ferretti is fighting to gain back his reputation. However he says he is not going to file a lawsuit against the former prosecutor. (Probably many lawsuits against Thomas pending and unlikely to collect even if won)

Despite the case being completely withdrawn, Ferretti has lost much — a board of directors seat in a company he invested in, his long-held lecturer position at Yale University and jobs as a business coach for entrepreneurs and corporate executives. He says even his accountant "dropped me like I was toxic when he read about my arrest."

"Until the disbarment of Andrew Thomas, I couldn't so much as write a letter to (hometown newspaper) because Maricopa County lawyers advised me to keep quiet or else Andrew Thomas (or one of his law enforcement allies) would retaliate against me,"

Authorities in August 2008 identified Ferretti as one of at least nine key players in a high-priced prostitution operation that brought in $250,000 a month. The operation, Night Partners Entertainment, ran a legitimate online escort service under various websites with names such as "Desert Divas" and "Hips Touring," police said. But for an additional $30 monthly fee, customers could gain access to another website that showed women performing sexual acts, filmed by members of the organization. Customers could then hire the women for sex, authorities said.

Ferretti said he pleaded guilty to the felony pandering charge to avoid additional charges he says he was threatened with. He was sentenced to a year of probation, but says after serving about eight months, a probation officer "took it upon himself" to file a motion with the court to have the charges dismissed.

Ferretti said the probation officer told him, "I got into this field to help people. I've read your entire case file. This case is all wrong and I can help you." In February 2010, Ferretti's attorney, Michael Kimerer, filed a motion to have Ferretti's guilty plea vacated and all charges dismissed. A judge agreed and dismissed the case that month. Kimerer said the "massive publicity" from Ferretti's case, which identified him as an operator of a prostitution business, "destroyed his career."

Kimerer said Ferretti was going through a divorce when he paid for sex, but has since remarried. Ferretti didn't want to talk about his family or where he's now living. He did say he's moved twice and is still out West. He hasn't been back to the Lehigh Valley since his arrest. "I've felt too humiliated to be seen there…" he said. "I've regrettably missed many important life events such as weddings and funerals." He says his reputation remains "in the gutter." "I have no idea of how to get it back," he said.

http://articles.mcall.com/2012-04-27/new...ution-case
===================================]]> http://phxlist.com/forum/showthread.php?tid=3248 Sun, 29 Apr 2012 02:48:26 +0000 http://phxlist.com/forum/showthread.php?tid=3248 Great long article by Jim Wilson Tucson Citizen - key best points
The need for prostitutes is real and it would generally benefit society. More people would have the option of meeting their sexual desires in safe, legal and consensual ways.

The taboo nature of human sexuality, the repression of human sexuality, and the glorification of purity and virginity have done great harm to society. The repressed sexuality will often express itself in unhealthy ways and there are many stories of sexual dysfunction caused by growing up in a sex negative environment.

We should not rely on the government to impose morality on everyone. Government has the job of protecting our freedom and should allow us to come to our own moral conclusions and not force those of others upon us. If you don't like marijuana or prostitution do not participate, but do not try to impose your moral beliefs on everyone else.

http://tucsoncitizen.com/freethought-ari...stitution/]]> Great long article by Jim Wilson Tucson Citizen - key best points
The need for prostitutes is real and it would generally benefit society. More people would have the option of meeting their sexual desires in safe, legal and consensual ways.

The taboo nature of human sexuality, the repression of human sexuality, and the glorification of purity and virginity have done great harm to society. The repressed sexuality will often express itself in unhealthy ways and there are many stories of sexual dysfunction caused by growing up in a sex negative environment.

We should not rely on the government to impose morality on everyone. Government has the job of protecting our freedom and should allow us to come to our own moral conclusions and not force those of others upon us. If you don't like marijuana or prostitution do not participate, but do not try to impose your moral beliefs on everyone else.

http://tucsoncitizen.com/freethought-ari...stitution/]]> http://phxlist.com/forum/showthread.php?tid=3247 Fri, 27 Apr 2012 18:54:14 +0000 http://phxlist.com/forum/showthread.php?tid=3247
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More than just a body rub, I prefer the term full body sensual caress.

Intelligent, playful and sensual, I enjoy the human body and delight in bringing pleasure through my touch. I incorporate a variety of modalities in our time together including Swedish, Reflexology, Reiki and Tantric Touch. To enhance your sensory experience, light bondage and blindfolds can also be incorporated into our time together. I cater to discerning gentlemen, lovely ladies and adventurous couples.

Soothing atmosphere, soft lights, gentle music, glowing candles and you and me. No constantly ringing phones, no interruptions, just a peaceful, unrushed time spent together.

I do hope you will choose to spend some quality time with me. You may text or call me at 623-428-1602, sometimes a text is best, but keep in mind, whether you call or text, I might be tied up, so you might have to leave a message, and I do not answer calls from blocked or restricted numbers.

]]> http://phxlist.com/forum/showthread.php?tid=3246 Fri, 27 Apr 2012 11:32:49 +0000 http://phxlist.com/forum/showthread.php?tid=3246
While this is Canada if anyone in the U.S. wanted to mount a fight in the U.S. much of the lower courts huge ruling could apply and be used in the U.S. - even though we have fewer rights than in the Canadian Charter of Rights and Freedoms.

As expected the ruling by the Ontario Appeals Court, upholding a lower court declaring the "bawdy house" law (incalls) unconstitutional under the Canadian Charter or Rights and Freedoms is being Appealed to the Supreme Court of Canada. The current majority Conservative government (Harper) supports the prohibitions of bawdy etc.

Long ago the Supreme Court affirmed the right of strip clubs to do nude, full contact lap dances as long as no "penetration" to avoid bawdy house law. But in that case there was no challenge to bawdy itself only if strip clubs violated the bawdy house law.

Various cities are trying to decide what to do. Most city police and Councils say they will continue to enforce the bawdy house law even though it has been declared unconstitutional in Ontario. However in most cities it has rarely been enforced unless "real crimes" or under aged, but this varies by city.

Both Ontario Courts also declared the "living of the avails" law unconstitutional although agencies easily avoided this by selling time not sex. The risk extended to drives (most agencies in Canada provide drivers for escorts) or even husbands or boyfriends of escorts. As with bawdy house law this is from the mid 1800's. Prostitution itself (and outcall) has always been legal as in most of the world.

While the lower court also ruled solicitation in a public place (streets) unconstitutional, the Court of Appeals reversed. This to me of course makes sense, public nuisance of street hookers.

When there were convictions for bawdy house violation the penalty was usually a relatively small fine. I have never heard of any jail term for any prostitution law violation in Canada as long as with consenting adults.

City councils are also trying to figure out if brothels open how they can be restricted by zoning, since they probably have the right to be treated like any regular business without excessive zoning limits.

In provinces other than Ontario cities can argue as long as the Supreme Court hasn't yet ruled they can enforce. But I assume if the Supreme Court of Canada upholds the Ontario Courts, all prior convictions would have to be reversed.

Ontario cities are stuck with the ruling of the Ontario Appeals Court that bawdy is unconstitutional. In theory, incalls could legally operate (many already do) until the Supreme Court reverses if it does.

Comments for some of Canadian boards:
The Crown has now lost TWICE on this issue, once at the original trial and the second time before the Court of Appeal) is so that they can say during the next election that they are hard on crime. The Supreme Court may not even HEAR this case if the initial SCofC review finds that there is no error in law present. They will just refuse to hear it and then the law is gone.

Another suggests, "The SCC will hear the case because the case is of national importance."

The current court decision is predicated on prostitution itself NOT being illegal. It is saying that the bawdy house and living off the avails laws causes danger to workers in a profession that is legal. It would be like saying it is illegal for race car drivers to use seatbelts. The Federal Parliament can quite easily enact a law declaring prostitution illegal.
That premise would be a difficult law to challenge under the Charter. Let's hope that the current SCC appeal takes a lonnnnnnnng time and that there is an election in the meantime and no party will touch this hot potato and pass such a law...By then there may be an erection!

I feel like somehow Rick Santorum has been injected into the house. Nobody is looking for the government to regulate on these moral personal issues. Regulate industry. Regulate banks. Regulate Emissions and food. Dont regulate my dick....There are bigger issues at hand. Figuratively and literally.

You guys realise that the SCC is the highest power in the land, right? If it upholds the Ontario ruling, then it will have to do so in accordance to our existing constitution and Charter of Rights. Harper will not have the authority to reverse that, save for using the Nonwithstanding Clause. If he does that, his career as PM is finished.

Report after report, survey after survey, numbers have shown Canadians are in favour of decriminalization. Yes, Harper is neo-con poster child, all Christian Morals and Corporate Interest, but he is a shrewd politician. Sure he'll fight this, but he cannot completely override the will of the People.]]>
While this is Canada if anyone in the U.S. wanted to mount a fight in the U.S. much of the lower courts huge ruling could apply and be used in the U.S. - even though we have fewer rights than in the Canadian Charter of Rights and Freedoms.

As expected the ruling by the Ontario Appeals Court, upholding a lower court declaring the "bawdy house" law (incalls) unconstitutional under the Canadian Charter or Rights and Freedoms is being Appealed to the Supreme Court of Canada. The current majority Conservative government (Harper) supports the prohibitions of bawdy etc.

Long ago the Supreme Court affirmed the right of strip clubs to do nude, full contact lap dances as long as no "penetration" to avoid bawdy house law. But in that case there was no challenge to bawdy itself only if strip clubs violated the bawdy house law.

Various cities are trying to decide what to do. Most city police and Councils say they will continue to enforce the bawdy house law even though it has been declared unconstitutional in Ontario. However in most cities it has rarely been enforced unless "real crimes" or under aged, but this varies by city.

Both Ontario Courts also declared the "living of the avails" law unconstitutional although agencies easily avoided this by selling time not sex. The risk extended to drives (most agencies in Canada provide drivers for escorts) or even husbands or boyfriends of escorts. As with bawdy house law this is from the mid 1800's. Prostitution itself (and outcall) has always been legal as in most of the world.

While the lower court also ruled solicitation in a public place (streets) unconstitutional, the Court of Appeals reversed. This to me of course makes sense, public nuisance of street hookers.

When there were convictions for bawdy house violation the penalty was usually a relatively small fine. I have never heard of any jail term for any prostitution law violation in Canada as long as with consenting adults.

City councils are also trying to figure out if brothels open how they can be restricted by zoning, since they probably have the right to be treated like any regular business without excessive zoning limits.

In provinces other than Ontario cities can argue as long as the Supreme Court hasn't yet ruled they can enforce. But I assume if the Supreme Court of Canada upholds the Ontario Courts, all prior convictions would have to be reversed.

Ontario cities are stuck with the ruling of the Ontario Appeals Court that bawdy is unconstitutional. In theory, incalls could legally operate (many already do) until the Supreme Court reverses if it does.

Comments for some of Canadian boards:
The Crown has now lost TWICE on this issue, once at the original trial and the second time before the Court of Appeal) is so that they can say during the next election that they are hard on crime. The Supreme Court may not even HEAR this case if the initial SCofC review finds that there is no error in law present. They will just refuse to hear it and then the law is gone.

Another suggests, "The SCC will hear the case because the case is of national importance."

The current court decision is predicated on prostitution itself NOT being illegal. It is saying that the bawdy house and living off the avails laws causes danger to workers in a profession that is legal. It would be like saying it is illegal for race car drivers to use seatbelts. The Federal Parliament can quite easily enact a law declaring prostitution illegal.
That premise would be a difficult law to challenge under the Charter. Let's hope that the current SCC appeal takes a lonnnnnnnng time and that there is an election in the meantime and no party will touch this hot potato and pass such a law...By then there may be an erection!

I feel like somehow Rick Santorum has been injected into the house. Nobody is looking for the government to regulate on these moral personal issues. Regulate industry. Regulate banks. Regulate Emissions and food. Dont regulate my dick....There are bigger issues at hand. Figuratively and literally.

You guys realise that the SCC is the highest power in the land, right? If it upholds the Ontario ruling, then it will have to do so in accordance to our existing constitution and Charter of Rights. Harper will not have the authority to reverse that, save for using the Nonwithstanding Clause. If he does that, his career as PM is finished.

Report after report, survey after survey, numbers have shown Canadians are in favour of decriminalization. Yes, Harper is neo-con poster child, all Christian Morals and Corporate Interest, but he is a shrewd politician. Sure he'll fight this, but he cannot completely override the will of the People.]]> http://phxlist.com/forum/showthread.php?tid=3245 Thu, 26 Apr 2012 12:59:14 +0000 http://phxlist.com/forum/showthread.php?tid=3245
Are you ready to try something a little different than what you may be used to? Good, because I'm different. Find out how relaxing a body rub can be when done by someone who really does enjoy touching you, sharing sensual energy with you and puts focus and thought as well as innate skills and passion and empathy into her touch.

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I use a combination of Swedish, deep tissue, reflexology methods as well as hot stone massage. I even offer the "cupping" method. I focus attention not just on your body, but on spots that many others skip over such as your face, feet, hands and cranial area. Mine truly are full body rubs and and many gents have told me that they can't get that kind of attention and treatment even from an upscale spa.

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Are you ready to try something a little different than what you may be used to? Good, because I'm different. Find out how relaxing a body rub can be when done by someone who really does enjoy touching you, sharing sensual energy with you and puts focus and thought as well as innate skills and passion and empathy into her touch.

In my haven from the stresses of your daily grind, you can always count on my space being comfortable and soothing, with candles glowing and soft music playing. You can enjoy some stimulating and amusing conversation while I massage you, or enjoy peaceful quiet if you prefer. Unless you specify otherwise, I use only unscented lotions that I make myself, so you won't feel slick or greasy afterwards. If you prefer, I also have my lotions that I blend with hand-selected aromatherapy scents that I can incorporate for additional relaxation qualities.

I use a combination of Swedish, deep tissue, reflexology methods as well as hot stone massage. I even offer the "cupping" method. I focus attention not just on your body, but on spots that many others skip over such as your face, feet, hands and cranial area. Mine truly are full body rubs and and many gents have told me that they can't get that kind of attention and treatment even from an upscale spa.

I'm very well reviewed at Naughty Reviews, please don't hesitate to read some accounts of how much I am enjoyed.

I'm not an escort, and don't engage in traditional escort activities, so please don't ask for them. I also do not engage in upselling in any manner, so please don't worry about that.

I am available mornings, afternoons and evenings, 7 days per week. Appointments available for late evenings also available.

Stormy 480-430-6290
120/hour

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April 22, 2012CARTAGENA, Colombia -- Surrounded by wall-mounted flat screens playing continuous deafening music videos, male patrons at La Dolce Vita nightclub face rows of young women in high heels and miniskirts sitting or standing by the bar, some swaying to the salsa songs.

The women generally don't approach the men, but occasionally a man asks one or more of the women to join him. Then they order drinks and discuss business. Vicky, a 20-year-old clad in a mini-dress with polka dots, offered sex for $120 per hour at one man's hotel.

Hundreds of similar offers occur every night at dozens of nightclubs in this international resort on Colombia's Caribbean coast.

The woman at La Dolce Vita say the Americans didn't pick up the women at that bar. But they defended Suarez because prostitution is a legal way to make a living for young women who work day jobs in offices and stores or attend school.

Two percent of young female college students in Cartagena moonlight as escorts and prostitutes, according to a study from the University of San Buenaventura. Many Cartageneros view the agent as the villain for trying to cheat a young woman who is only seeking to feed her 9-year-old son.

"This is all legal," said Vicky, the only woman at La Dolce Vita who was willing to talk at length. "This was the fault of the man who didn't pay." Other residents echoed her opinion. "The women were just trying to make a living," said Melissa Frasser, a bank manager from Bogota who talked while sunning herself on a beach across from the Hotel Caribe. In the end, she added, the more "negative impact will be on the reputation of the Secret Service, not Cartagena, since prostitution happens everywhere."

http://www.freep.com/article/20120422/NE...al-unfolds]]> (From the Phoenix Private and Companion Lists)

April 22, 2012CARTAGENA, Colombia -- Surrounded by wall-mounted flat screens playing continuous deafening music videos, male patrons at La Dolce Vita nightclub face rows of young women in high heels and miniskirts sitting or standing by the bar, some swaying to the salsa songs.

The women generally don't approach the men, but occasionally a man asks one or more of the women to join him. Then they order drinks and discuss business. Vicky, a 20-year-old clad in a mini-dress with polka dots, offered sex for $120 per hour at one man's hotel.

Hundreds of similar offers occur every night at dozens of nightclubs in this international resort on Colombia's Caribbean coast.

The woman at La Dolce Vita say the Americans didn't pick up the women at that bar. But they defended Suarez because prostitution is a legal way to make a living for young women who work day jobs in offices and stores or attend school.

Two percent of young female college students in Cartagena moonlight as escorts and prostitutes, according to a study from the University of San Buenaventura. Many Cartageneros view the agent as the villain for trying to cheat a young woman who is only seeking to feed her 9-year-old son.

"This is all legal," said Vicky, the only woman at La Dolce Vita who was willing to talk at length. "This was the fault of the man who didn't pay." Other residents echoed her opinion. "The women were just trying to make a living," said Melissa Frasser, a bank manager from Bogota who talked while sunning herself on a beach across from the Hotel Caribe. In the end, she added, the more "negative impact will be on the reputation of the Secret Service, not Cartagena, since prostitution happens everywhere."

http://www.freep.com/article/20120422/NE...al-unfolds]]> http://phxlist.com/forum/showthread.php?tid=3243 Sun, 22 Apr 2012 06:55:32 +0000 http://phxlist.com/forum/showthread.php?tid=3243
Typical anti article by a women about the terrible drugs, its a carrier of violence against women the usual crap.

Norma Jean Almodovar (cop to call girl fame and book replied)
It would be lovely if you journalists actually asked us prostitutes what we think of our work rather than you just pat us on the head and tell us what our experience "is really like." Despite the rather significant incidents of intimate partner violence and intimate partner rape- according to the US Government, 12 MILLION and 1 MILLION per year respectively, there is no crusade to abolish marriage.

Considering that there are over 88,000 reported rapes each year (non prostitute or intimate partner related) and the cops manage to apprehend only about 20% of the rapists, why on earth would you want to criminalize our non violent, non abusive clients, or punish them for making it possible for us to earn a living? When you make either being a prostitute OR being a client of a prostitute a crime, you put us at risk of being exploited (extorted) and raped by law enforcement agents. OR does that not matter to you?

The sex trade is NO MORE violent than ANY other human relationship- and clearly MARRIAGE is a violent institution... just ask any woman at a battered women's shelter what she thinks of marriage... And the women MOST at risk of being victims of intimate partner violence are those who are involved with law enforcement agents.... according to some sources, the rate of intimate partner violence in law enforcement agent families is 40% compared to 10% in the general population. There are approximately 900,000 law enforcement agents in the US- which means there are about 360,000 victims of officer involved intimate partner violence in the US at any given time. Surely you would agree that we must DO SOMETHING to stop such violence- perhaps ban marriages for law enforcement agents?

What scares me the most is that you want to put the lives of vulnerable women (sex workers) in the hands of the violent officers because you believe that we are better off in their care than with our non violent, non abusive clients?

Obviously you have never met the millions of prostitutes out here who are not addicted to drugs- but if drug use were a viable argument for continuing the ban on prostitution, what should we do to actresses and actors, athletes, musicians and others who are addicts?

Sex workers want to see consenting adult commercial sex decriminalized so that when we are the victims of abuse, we can go to the police like ANY OTHER victim in ANY OTHER profession and seek justice. Currently if we dare to go to the police, we are told that if we don't like being abused, we should stop being prostitutes. Cops feel they have a right to extort us for sex, money and information, and if we provide those things, we can continue to ply our trade. If not, we go to jail.

We know more than anyone that there are victims in prostitution, just as I, as a very happy housewife, know that there are women who are brutally beaten by their husbands. Unlike those wives, we cannot file reports for fear that we will be arrested ourselves.

What I don't understand about journalists like Lisa M. Ruth is that they want women to be believed if the woman claims to be a victim of rape or abuse- but not if a prostitute states categorically that she is not a victim. Then we are told that we are 'suffering from a false consciousness.' We are also told that 'prostitution is like rape' - which insults those who have actually been the victim of rape. Only rape is like rape. Unless WE tell you otherwise, prostitution is JUST A JOB! Get over it!

http://communities.washingtontimes.com/n...t-service/

I also added my usual "sermon" !! I have had many good discussions with Norma over the decades...]]>
Typical anti article by a women about the terrible drugs, its a carrier of violence against women the usual crap.

Norma Jean Almodovar (cop to call girl fame and book replied)
It would be lovely if you journalists actually asked us prostitutes what we think of our work rather than you just pat us on the head and tell us what our experience "is really like." Despite the rather significant incidents of intimate partner violence and intimate partner rape- according to the US Government, 12 MILLION and 1 MILLION per year respectively, there is no crusade to abolish marriage.

Considering that there are over 88,000 reported rapes each year (non prostitute or intimate partner related) and the cops manage to apprehend only about 20% of the rapists, why on earth would you want to criminalize our non violent, non abusive clients, or punish them for making it possible for us to earn a living? When you make either being a prostitute OR being a client of a prostitute a crime, you put us at risk of being exploited (extorted) and raped by law enforcement agents. OR does that not matter to you?

The sex trade is NO MORE violent than ANY other human relationship- and clearly MARRIAGE is a violent institution... just ask any woman at a battered women's shelter what she thinks of marriage... And the women MOST at risk of being victims of intimate partner violence are those who are involved with law enforcement agents.... according to some sources, the rate of intimate partner violence in law enforcement agent families is 40% compared to 10% in the general population. There are approximately 900,000 law enforcement agents in the US- which means there are about 360,000 victims of officer involved intimate partner violence in the US at any given time. Surely you would agree that we must DO SOMETHING to stop such violence- perhaps ban marriages for law enforcement agents?

What scares me the most is that you want to put the lives of vulnerable women (sex workers) in the hands of the violent officers because you believe that we are better off in their care than with our non violent, non abusive clients?

Obviously you have never met the millions of prostitutes out here who are not addicted to drugs- but if drug use were a viable argument for continuing the ban on prostitution, what should we do to actresses and actors, athletes, musicians and others who are addicts?

Sex workers want to see consenting adult commercial sex decriminalized so that when we are the victims of abuse, we can go to the police like ANY OTHER victim in ANY OTHER profession and seek justice. Currently if we dare to go to the police, we are told that if we don't like being abused, we should stop being prostitutes. Cops feel they have a right to extort us for sex, money and information, and if we provide those things, we can continue to ply our trade. If not, we go to jail.

We know more than anyone that there are victims in prostitution, just as I, as a very happy housewife, know that there are women who are brutally beaten by their husbands. Unlike those wives, we cannot file reports for fear that we will be arrested ourselves.

What I don't understand about journalists like Lisa M. Ruth is that they want women to be believed if the woman claims to be a victim of rape or abuse- but not if a prostitute states categorically that she is not a victim. Then we are told that we are 'suffering from a false consciousness.' We are also told that 'prostitution is like rape' - which insults those who have actually been the victim of rape. Only rape is like rape. Unless WE tell you otherwise, prostitution is JUST A JOB! Get over it!

http://communities.washingtontimes.com/n...t-service/

I also added my usual "sermon" !! I have had many good discussions with Norma over the decades...]]> http://phxlist.com/forum/showthread.php?tid=3242 Sat, 21 Apr 2012 07:58:54 +0000 http://phxlist.com/forum/showthread.php?tid=3242
It provides in depth look at what was done right when undercovers could not entice any discussion of sex for money, and when with other it crossed over into LE constantly talking about sex and insisting on knowing what he would get for fee etc and where was able to bust.

In some cases (one in particular) the cop may have crossed the line himself into entrapment - leave that to a defense attorney.

How to stay in public policy kept boxer shorts on.

Laid next to a gal who wanted to educate him on how to be with a receptive women but he kept sheet up to neck, and could NOT get a bust (cell call by monitoring detectives decide when to make the "escape" call for him to make excuse to leave.

The Temple case of felonies against 39 wonderful people is very complex with lots of issues as I have reported on both on the Private Lists and the far more extensive Temple list that goes to about 100 with special interest in the case (including various attorney's)

Trial dates suppose to be set next status conference 4/30

BTW the police report was properly issued to me under the Freedom of Information Act. I do not have access however to 2000+ pages of discovery - and that was before the FBI forensic report on the computers seized.

A few interesting tidbits from the Private Lists:

Osama Like Raid
The raid on the Phoenix Temple was worthy of a raid on Osama bin Laden:
16 North Entry squad officers named with badge numbers forming squads S51 and S55
9 East Entry squad officers
9 South Entry
Total of 34 officers!
Once the building was secured and everyone taken into custody the scene was turned over to the vice enforcement squad. Each person in the building was identified with clothing description, race and what room discovered in.

TER REVIEWS detailed on each gal
TER reviews are described in great detail - how TER is used by prostitutes – the terms - quotes from the reviews of Temple women. I’ve previously discussed how hard it would be to get into evidence but is possible.

Waste of Police and Court Resources Sermon
A HUGE amount of police resources have been wasted going after in private consenting adult positive activities that I agree are a form of healing - even without the spiritual beliefs. But the war on adult sensuality continues with 39 wonderful people facing felony criminal charges.]]>
It provides in depth look at what was done right when undercovers could not entice any discussion of sex for money, and when with other it crossed over into LE constantly talking about sex and insisting on knowing what he would get for fee etc and where was able to bust.

In some cases (one in particular) the cop may have crossed the line himself into entrapment - leave that to a defense attorney.

How to stay in public policy kept boxer shorts on.

Laid next to a gal who wanted to educate him on how to be with a receptive women but he kept sheet up to neck, and could NOT get a bust (cell call by monitoring detectives decide when to make the "escape" call for him to make excuse to leave.

The Temple case of felonies against 39 wonderful people is very complex with lots of issues as I have reported on both on the Private Lists and the far more extensive Temple list that goes to about 100 with special interest in the case (including various attorney's)

Trial dates suppose to be set next status conference 4/30

BTW the police report was properly issued to me under the Freedom of Information Act. I do not have access however to 2000+ pages of discovery - and that was before the FBI forensic report on the computers seized.

A few interesting tidbits from the Private Lists:

Osama Like Raid
The raid on the Phoenix Temple was worthy of a raid on Osama bin Laden:
16 North Entry squad officers named with badge numbers forming squads S51 and S55
9 East Entry squad officers
9 South Entry
Total of 34 officers!
Once the building was secured and everyone taken into custody the scene was turned over to the vice enforcement squad. Each person in the building was identified with clothing description, race and what room discovered in.

TER REVIEWS detailed on each gal
TER reviews are described in great detail - how TER is used by prostitutes – the terms - quotes from the reviews of Temple women. I’ve previously discussed how hard it would be to get into evidence but is possible.

Waste of Police and Court Resources Sermon
A HUGE amount of police resources have been wasted going after in private consenting adult positive activities that I agree are a form of healing - even without the spiritual beliefs. But the war on adult sensuality continues with 39 wonderful people facing felony criminal charges.]]> http://phxlist.com/forum/showthread.php?tid=3232 Sun, 15 Apr 2012 19:43:56 +0000 http://phxlist.com/forum/showthread.php?tid=3232 See my website for pictures and info
Google(trinity Morgana)
Your time with me is never rushed see my reviews everywhere always mind blowing fun
gated east valley incall
email contact only scubadiveraz@gmail.com
http://www.trinitymorgana.com/providerentry.html
couples and women welcome
references or basic verification required
I hope everyone is doing great
bright blessings

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Google(trinity Morgana)
Your time with me is never rushed see my reviews everywhere always mind blowing fun
gated east valley incall
email contact only scubadiveraz@gmail.com
http://www.trinitymorgana.com/providerentry.html
couples and women welcome
references or basic verification required
I hope everyone is doing great
bright blessings

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While outcall and prostitution itself has always been legal, incalls (brothels) were made illegal in the 1800's.

Poll results suggest the judicial system may be aligned with the community values of Canadians more than we thought, said Ipsos Reid CEO Darrell Bricker, referring to the recent Ontario Court of Appeal ruling striking down some of Canada's prostitution laws, including a ban on brothels or "bawdy houses."

Asked to what extent they agreed or disagreed that prostitution in brothels should be legal, 21 per cent of the poll's respondents said they strongly agreed and 44 per cent said they somewhat agreed. Meanwhile, 20 per cent said they strongly disagreed, while 15 per cent said they somewhat disagreed.

To Bricker's surprise, those aged 55 and older were most likely to support legalizing brothels (69 per cent), followed by those 35-54 (67 per cent) and those 18-34 (57 per cent). More men than women - 75 per cent versus 56 per cent - expressed support for legalizing brothels.
Bricker speculated perhaps older Canadians were thinking from the perspective of people taking advantage of the services, while younger Canadians were thinking from the perspective of those being taken advantage of.

Geographically speaking, residents in B.C. were most supportive of legalizing brothels (73 per cent), followed by those living in Quebec (68 per cent), Ontario (65 per cent), Alberta (60 per cent), Atlantic Canada (59 per cent) and Saskatchewan and Manitoba (51 per cent).

http://www.vancouversun.com/life/thirds+...z1r2SZovds]]>
While outcall and prostitution itself has always been legal, incalls (brothels) were made illegal in the 1800's.

Poll results suggest the judicial system may be aligned with the community values of Canadians more than we thought, said Ipsos Reid CEO Darrell Bricker, referring to the recent Ontario Court of Appeal ruling striking down some of Canada's prostitution laws, including a ban on brothels or "bawdy houses."

Asked to what extent they agreed or disagreed that prostitution in brothels should be legal, 21 per cent of the poll's respondents said they strongly agreed and 44 per cent said they somewhat agreed. Meanwhile, 20 per cent said they strongly disagreed, while 15 per cent said they somewhat disagreed.

To Bricker's surprise, those aged 55 and older were most likely to support legalizing brothels (69 per cent), followed by those 35-54 (67 per cent) and those 18-34 (57 per cent). More men than women - 75 per cent versus 56 per cent - expressed support for legalizing brothels.
Bricker speculated perhaps older Canadians were thinking from the perspective of people taking advantage of the services, while younger Canadians were thinking from the perspective of those being taken advantage of.

Geographically speaking, residents in B.C. were most supportive of legalizing brothels (73 per cent), followed by those living in Quebec (68 per cent), Ontario (65 per cent), Alberta (60 per cent), Atlantic Canada (59 per cent) and Saskatchewan and Manitoba (51 per cent).

http://www.vancouversun.com/life/thirds+...z1r2SZovds]]> http://phxlist.com/forum/showthread.php?tid=3225 Tue, 27 Mar 2012 07:46:50 +0000 http://phxlist.com/forum/showthread.php?tid=3225 Typical Headlines Sweeping Across Canada:
Ontario Court of Appeal greenlights brothels, sweeps aside many of Canada’s anti-prostitution laws
LEGAL: Hiring drivers, bodyguards and support staff
ILLEGAL: “Exploitation” of sex workers by pimps
LEGAL: Working in organized brothels or “bawdy houses”
ILLEGAL: Openly soliciting customers on the street
(Outcall has always been legal as in most of the world except the U.S.)

From the Phoenix Private E-mail List where more updates will be posted especially as related to arguments in the U.S.

3/26/2012 - The Ontario Court of Appeals upheld the extensive ruling of Superior Court Judge Susan Himel in 2010. You can legally offer sexual services from your own bedroom, without being charged for running or occupying a “common bawdy-house”. With one stroke of a judicial pen, sex workers can soon legally offer their services from their home, an option that was otherwise unavailable to them. Without this change in the law, sex workers could previously only meet their “dates” in a hotel or a client’s home.

The crime of keeping or occupying a common bawdy-house was legislated in the 1800's to combat neighborhood disruption or disorder and safeguard public health and safety, however, the Court today ruled that the safety of working girls is more important than maintaining a quiet neighborhood, recognizing the extreme risks of harm that befall street sex trade workers.

The Court also held that the law against “living off the avails of prostitution”, while intended to target pimps, was inadvertently outlawing reasonable services required by prostitutes including drivers, spotters, and bodyguards. Thus, the Court inserted language into the Criminal Code that only bars commercial relationships between prostitutes and their service providers where the relationship is conducted “in circumstances of exploitation”.

The fight however may not be over. Prime Minister Harper (much like Christian values, conservative Bush) is on record as saying that prostitution is "bad for society, harmful to communities, women and vulnerable persons.”

The Appeals Court reversed Judge Himel related to street or public place solicitation of prostitution by letting the public place solicitation law stand. Solicitation by phone, ads etc has always been legal since not in a "public PLACE" such as streets, bars, common areas of hotels etc. The court said concerns about the nuisance created by street prostitution are real, having a “profound impact on the members of the surrounding community.” So it upheld the ban on in public soliciting for the purposes of selling sex.

The Appeals Court considered 25,000 pages of testimony in 88 volumes and nine-months of consideration. The Court had 5 judges. Three formed the majority opinion but the two dissenting judges (MacPherson and Cronk) would have ALSO struck down the public communication law saying, "the communicating provision chokes off self-protection options for prostitutes who are already at enormous risk.” (in other words being able to ask questions, talk to a client on the street about sexual services). So the decision that incall/bawdy houses being constitutionally protected was unanimous!!

The National Post reports: The thorny issue transcended traditional ideological divides, with conservative religious groups finding strange allies in feminist activists in their support of retaining the prostitution restrictions. Paramount to the case was that the laws endangered sex workers, a violation of the Charter protection to “life, liberty and security of the person.” “On the facts as found, the added risk to prostitutes takes the form of an increased risk of serious physical harm or perhaps even worse. Any real increase in that kind of risk must impair the security of the person,” the majority ruling said.
http://news.nationalpost.com/2012/03/26/...tion-laws/

"The Crown" led by Harper however will probably appeal to the Supreme Court of Canada the ruling of the Court of Appeals which upheld the Ontario Court of Himel making incalls (bawdy houses) legal. The Crown has 60 days to appeal to the Canadian Supreme Court.

The 176 page ruling by Judge Himel in 2010 as well as the Appeals Court could be very helpful if a U.S. case is brought. As I have previously discussed in huge detail, the Himel Court totally rejected briefs by U.S. anti sex advocates totally discrediting them. The long Himel opinion should be required reading for any U.S. judge - common sense - practical - especially safety issues for making incalls legal which now the Ontario Court of Appeals has upheld.

I especially liked Judge Himel's dismissal of U.S. anti-sexwork zealots. Himel specifically dismissed the testimony of "our" Melissa Farley. Justice Himel says, "Although Dr. Farley has conducted a great deal of research on prostitution, her advocacy appears to have permeated her opinions. For example, Dr. Farley’s unqualified assertion in her affidavit that prostitution is inherently violent appears to contradict her own findings that prostitutes who work from indoor locations generally experience less violence ... Dr. Farley’s choice of language is at times inflammatory and detracts from her conclusions. ... Accordingly, for these reasons, I assign less weight to Dr. Farley’s evidence. Similarly, I find that Drs. Raymond and Poulin were more like advocates than experts offering independent opinions to the court. At times, they made bold, sweeping statements that were not reflected in their research."

U.S. Constitution vs Canadian Charter of Rights and Freedoms
The U.S. Supreme Court is divided along Conservative/Liberal lines dramatically demonstrated in the Lawrence vs Texas 5-4 decision where the majority ruled morality is not a basis of law and police/govt has no business in citizens private bedroom for in private consenting adults. Today's court is different and a similar case, or involving prostitution could go either way with the Bush appointments probably against the right of privacy.

The Canadian Charter is based on protections of the life, liberty and security of a person and is often more liberal than the U.S. Constitution. Republican/Conservative view the Constitution as a "dead" document with only rights that were imagined and included 200+ years ago. Democratic/Liberal view it as more a "living" document where changes in society and new modern issues may have protections - as is the Canadian Charter of Rights and Freedoms.

However, The Appeals court suspended the declaration of invalidity for 12 months to give Parliament an opportunity to redraft legislation that does not violate the Canadian Charter of Rights and Freedoms. This could result in a terrible Nevada like situation where the State is the pimp, and the women are not in charge of their own bodies and business, resulting in very high customer fees negotiated with teaching workers how to seduce for the highest fee possible, and huge profits to the brothels. Hopefully individual worker freedoms will prevail over the terrible Nevada requirements.

Incalls Already Common - No huge change anticipated
AP - Alan Young, the lawyer for the women, called the decision a win for sex trade workers and society. “Canadian society will not collapse or even flinch under the weight of this decision,” Young said. “Eighty percent have moved indoors. The movement has already occurred, and now the law is following afterward.” “It has not created a large infrastructure and business enterprise for the sex trade, but what it has done is that it’s opened up the law enough so that people who choose to enter the sex trade, which is a legal choice, will now be able to avail themselves of certain types of safety measures.

Brenda Cossman, a University of Toronto law professor, said Monday’s ruling is not going to lead to an explosion of brothels in the province. “There are thousands of workers who practice sex work out of their homes, out of establishments that they've rented where they work with one or two other women, are we going to now see brothels springing up in everyone’s neighborhood? No, because frankly they ’re already there and you just didn't know about it. All this law does is make what those women do legal now and allow them to practice in an environment that will be safer.”

Julie Grant, the executive at large of the Sex Professionals of Canada, agreed that the ruling will not be a huge change for the industry. “Bawdy houses have been operational for as long as the industry has existed, they've just been somewhat invisible, existing as adult massage parlors and with women operating out of their homes or in hotels as escorts. We’re not all of a sudden going to become the Wild West with brothels filled with women and beer bottles in saloons popping up everywhere,” said Grant. “Canadians have always been discreet with the way the sex industry operates and this will continue.”

Incalls still banned in non Ontario Provinces
CBC News 3/26/12 reports Convicted madam "Sinful Syndee" still faces her sentence of 3 years probation and a $2000 fine. had opened the brothel as a safer venue for sex workers. "She had set up this brothel so that she could get girls who were working — and/or guys — off of the street and into a safe setting where she was screening the clientele," Roitenberg (her attorney) told CBC News.

Various reports of different reactions in cities across Canada. The legal status will not be clear until the Supreme Court rules assuming the Crown files an appeal as expected. But we now have two Courts ruling that incalls are legal in Canada - outcall always has been legal.

Hopefully not like Greece Restrictions for unneeded frequent medical exams
Prostitution is legal, but each sex worker must be registered with the authorities, only work if they’re over age 21 and have health checks every two weeks. Prostitutes can be fined if they are caught working with a medical card that isn’t up to date, Ms. Cossman said. “The legitimate government objective would be to control the spread of sexually transmitted diseases, but it’s a pretty heavily interventionist form of regulation,” she said.

No major health issues in Germany where have huge legal brothels and street prostitution in certain areas of cities. Brothels are considered normal businesses. Or in French brothels, or Britain, Wales and Northern Ireland where no street legal. Or Netherlands where all is legal. No health exams required and no big medical issues of concern. Nor medical issue in Sweden, Norway or Iceland where legal to sell sex (but not buy which is rarely enforced unless exploitation.)]]> Typical Headlines Sweeping Across Canada:
Ontario Court of Appeal greenlights brothels, sweeps aside many of Canada’s anti-prostitution laws
LEGAL: Hiring drivers, bodyguards and support staff
ILLEGAL: “Exploitation” of sex workers by pimps
LEGAL: Working in organized brothels or “bawdy houses”
ILLEGAL: Openly soliciting customers on the street
(Outcall has always been legal as in most of the world except the U.S.)

From the Phoenix Private E-mail List where more updates will be posted especially as related to arguments in the U.S.

3/26/2012 - The Ontario Court of Appeals upheld the extensive ruling of Superior Court Judge Susan Himel in 2010. You can legally offer sexual services from your own bedroom, without being charged for running or occupying a “common bawdy-house”. With one stroke of a judicial pen, sex workers can soon legally offer their services from their home, an option that was otherwise unavailable to them. Without this change in the law, sex workers could previously only meet their “dates” in a hotel or a client’s home.

The crime of keeping or occupying a common bawdy-house was legislated in the 1800's to combat neighborhood disruption or disorder and safeguard public health and safety, however, the Court today ruled that the safety of working girls is more important than maintaining a quiet neighborhood, recognizing the extreme risks of harm that befall street sex trade workers.

The Court also held that the law against “living off the avails of prostitution”, while intended to target pimps, was inadvertently outlawing reasonable services required by prostitutes including drivers, spotters, and bodyguards. Thus, the Court inserted language into the Criminal Code that only bars commercial relationships between prostitutes and their service providers where the relationship is conducted “in circumstances of exploitation”.

The fight however may not be over. Prime Minister Harper (much like Christian values, conservative Bush) is on record as saying that prostitution is "bad for society, harmful to communities, women and vulnerable persons.”

The Appeals Court reversed Judge Himel related to street or public place solicitation of prostitution by letting the public place solicitation law stand. Solicitation by phone, ads etc has always been legal since not in a "public PLACE" such as streets, bars, common areas of hotels etc. The court said concerns about the nuisance created by street prostitution are real, having a “profound impact on the members of the surrounding community.” So it upheld the ban on in public soliciting for the purposes of selling sex.

The Appeals Court considered 25,000 pages of testimony in 88 volumes and nine-months of consideration. The Court had 5 judges. Three formed the majority opinion but the two dissenting judges (MacPherson and Cronk) would have ALSO struck down the public communication law saying, "the communicating provision chokes off self-protection options for prostitutes who are already at enormous risk.” (in other words being able to ask questions, talk to a client on the street about sexual services). So the decision that incall/bawdy houses being constitutionally protected was unanimous!!

The National Post reports: The thorny issue transcended traditional ideological divides, with conservative religious groups finding strange allies in feminist activists in their support of retaining the prostitution restrictions. Paramount to the case was that the laws endangered sex workers, a violation of the Charter protection to “life, liberty and security of the person.” “On the facts as found, the added risk to prostitutes takes the form of an increased risk of serious physical harm or perhaps even worse. Any real increase in that kind of risk must impair the security of the person,” the majority ruling said.
http://news.nationalpost.com/2012/03/26/...tion-laws/

"The Crown" led by Harper however will probably appeal to the Supreme Court of Canada the ruling of the Court of Appeals which upheld the Ontario Court of Himel making incalls (bawdy houses) legal. The Crown has 60 days to appeal to the Canadian Supreme Court.

The 176 page ruling by Judge Himel in 2010 as well as the Appeals Court could be very helpful if a U.S. case is brought. As I have previously discussed in huge detail, the Himel Court totally rejected briefs by U.S. anti sex advocates totally discrediting them. The long Himel opinion should be required reading for any U.S. judge - common sense - practical - especially safety issues for making incalls legal which now the Ontario Court of Appeals has upheld.

I especially liked Judge Himel's dismissal of U.S. anti-sexwork zealots. Himel specifically dismissed the testimony of "our" Melissa Farley. Justice Himel says, "Although Dr. Farley has conducted a great deal of research on prostitution, her advocacy appears to have permeated her opinions. For example, Dr. Farley’s unqualified assertion in her affidavit that prostitution is inherently violent appears to contradict her own findings that prostitutes who work from indoor locations generally experience less violence ... Dr. Farley’s choice of language is at times inflammatory and detracts from her conclusions. ... Accordingly, for these reasons, I assign less weight to Dr. Farley’s evidence. Similarly, I find that Drs. Raymond and Poulin were more like advocates than experts offering independent opinions to the court. At times, they made bold, sweeping statements that were not reflected in their research."

U.S. Constitution vs Canadian Charter of Rights and Freedoms
The U.S. Supreme Court is divided along Conservative/Liberal lines dramatically demonstrated in the Lawrence vs Texas 5-4 decision where the majority ruled morality is not a basis of law and police/govt has no business in citizens private bedroom for in private consenting adults. Today's court is different and a similar case, or involving prostitution could go either way with the Bush appointments probably against the right of privacy.

The Canadian Charter is based on protections of the life, liberty and security of a person and is often more liberal than the U.S. Constitution. Republican/Conservative view the Constitution as a "dead" document with only rights that were imagined and included 200+ years ago. Democratic/Liberal view it as more a "living" document where changes in society and new modern issues may have protections - as is the Canadian Charter of Rights and Freedoms.

However, The Appeals court suspended the declaration of invalidity for 12 months to give Parliament an opportunity to redraft legislation that does not violate the Canadian Charter of Rights and Freedoms. This could result in a terrible Nevada like situation where the State is the pimp, and the women are not in charge of their own bodies and business, resulting in very high customer fees negotiated with teaching workers how to seduce for the highest fee possible, and huge profits to the brothels. Hopefully individual worker freedoms will prevail over the terrible Nevada requirements.

Incalls Already Common - No huge change anticipated
AP - Alan Young, the lawyer for the women, called the decision a win for sex trade workers and society. “Canadian society will not collapse or even flinch under the weight of this decision,” Young said. “Eighty percent have moved indoors. The movement has already occurred, and now the law is following afterward.” “It has not created a large infrastructure and business enterprise for the sex trade, but what it has done is that it’s opened up the law enough so that people who choose to enter the sex trade, which is a legal choice, will now be able to avail themselves of certain types of safety measures.

Brenda Cossman, a University of Toronto law professor, said Monday’s ruling is not going to lead to an explosion of brothels in the province. “There are thousands of workers who practice sex work out of their homes, out of establishments that they've rented where they work with one or two other women, are we going to now see brothels springing up in everyone’s neighborhood? No, because frankly they ’re already there and you just didn't know about it. All this law does is make what those women do legal now and allow them to practice in an environment that will be safer.”

Julie Grant, the executive at large of the Sex Professionals of Canada, agreed that the ruling will not be a huge change for the industry. “Bawdy houses have been operational for as long as the industry has existed, they've just been somewhat invisible, existing as adult massage parlors and with women operating out of their homes or in hotels as escorts. We’re not all of a sudden going to become the Wild West with brothels filled with women and beer bottles in saloons popping up everywhere,” said Grant. “Canadians have always been discreet with the way the sex industry operates and this will continue.”

Incalls still banned in non Ontario Provinces
CBC News 3/26/12 reports Convicted madam "Sinful Syndee" still faces her sentence of 3 years probation and a $2000 fine. had opened the brothel as a safer venue for sex workers. "She had set up this brothel so that she could get girls who were working — and/or guys — off of the street and into a safe setting where she was screening the clientele," Roitenberg (her attorney) told CBC News.

Various reports of different reactions in cities across Canada. The legal status will not be clear until the Supreme Court rules assuming the Crown files an appeal as expected. But we now have two Courts ruling that incalls are legal in Canada - outcall always has been legal.

Hopefully not like Greece Restrictions for unneeded frequent medical exams
Prostitution is legal, but each sex worker must be registered with the authorities, only work if they’re over age 21 and have health checks every two weeks. Prostitutes can be fined if they are caught working with a medical card that isn’t up to date, Ms. Cossman said. “The legitimate government objective would be to control the spread of sexually transmitted diseases, but it’s a pretty heavily interventionist form of regulation,” she said.

No major health issues in Germany where have huge legal brothels and street prostitution in certain areas of cities. Brothels are considered normal businesses. Or in French brothels, or Britain, Wales and Northern Ireland where no street legal. Or Netherlands where all is legal. No health exams required and no big medical issues of concern. Nor medical issue in Sweden, Norway or Iceland where legal to sell sex (but not buy which is rarely enforced unless exploitation.)]]> http://phxlist.com/forum/showthread.php?tid=3206 Mon, 05 Mar 2012 22:18:34 +0000 http://phxlist.com/forum/showthread.php?tid=3206
  Photos Of Me 099.jpg (Size: 97.43 KB / Downloads: 2) Hello Darling,

My name is Claire and I want to thank you for stopping by to peruse my profile. I am the type of companion that is limited exclusively for the discriminating man that knows exactly what he wants and how to get it. I'm an experienced, mature, very discreet, independent beauty who limits herself to a selective group of gentlemen that prefer to spend quality time with a real woman who truly enjoys what she does.

Do you truly enjoy kissing? Do you miss the intimacy from a woman that understands you and wants to learn more about you? Kissing is an ART and I want to share that form of expression with you .... that is... if you are ready, willing and able!

I look forward to making your acquaintance very soon. I do require references for all new potential friends and until then, all the best and warmest regards!

Your Sexy Secret Addiction,

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  Photos Of Me 099.jpg (Size: 97.43 KB / Downloads: 2) Hello Darling,

My name is Claire and I want to thank you for stopping by to peruse my profile. I am the type of companion that is limited exclusively for the discriminating man that knows exactly what he wants and how to get it. I'm an experienced, mature, very discreet, independent beauty who limits herself to a selective group of gentlemen that prefer to spend quality time with a real woman who truly enjoys what she does.

Do you truly enjoy kissing? Do you miss the intimacy from a woman that understands you and wants to learn more about you? Kissing is an ART and I want to share that form of expression with you .... that is... if you are ready, willing and able!

I look forward to making your acquaintance very soon. I do require references for all new potential friends and until then, all the best and warmest regards!

Your Sexy Secret Addiction,

  Photos Of Me 255.jpg (Size: 112.37 KB / Downloads: 3) ]]> http://phxlist.com/forum/showthread.php?tid=3205 Mon, 05 Mar 2012 09:51:28 +0000 http://phxlist.com/forum/showthread.php?tid=3205 http://www.sexwork.com/privateinfo.html

Promoting Prostitution = Sex Offender Registry Requirement like Child Molesters

3/1/12 In Tennessee the House voted unanimously 89-0 to make people convicted of promoting prostitution add their names to the sex offender lists. First offenders would see their names on the list for 10 years; second offenders would be there for life. They would be lumped in with child molesters on the offender registry, names made public and where they live.

Of course it was pushed by the Republicans and some Democrats while voting for it (don’t dare vote in favor of sexwork in TN) raised concerns over the definition of “promoting.” While intended to be against “pimps” it could be applied to prostitutes who “self-promote” via an online ad, people who run escort services (or discussion boards with ads?).

State Rep. Mike Kernell, D-Memphis, offered a philosophical objection against the bill, which describes pimping as a violent crime. “I have a problem listing it when it’s not violent with thing that are violent,” he said.

Supporters say the public has the right to be warned about anyone promoting prostitution and that the law will stop exploitation of women. State Rep. Jim Gotto, R-Hermitage, complained it ought to be extended to johns who solicit prostitutes. The issue goes over to the Senate, where it is yet to be heard in committee.]]> http://www.sexwork.com/privateinfo.html

Promoting Prostitution = Sex Offender Registry Requirement like Child Molesters

3/1/12 In Tennessee the House voted unanimously 89-0 to make people convicted of promoting prostitution add their names to the sex offender lists. First offenders would see their names on the list for 10 years; second offenders would be there for life. They would be lumped in with child molesters on the offender registry, names made public and where they live.

Of course it was pushed by the Republicans and some Democrats while voting for it (don’t dare vote in favor of sexwork in TN) raised concerns over the definition of “promoting.” While intended to be against “pimps” it could be applied to prostitutes who “self-promote” via an online ad, people who run escort services (or discussion boards with ads?).

State Rep. Mike Kernell, D-Memphis, offered a philosophical objection against the bill, which describes pimping as a violent crime. “I have a problem listing it when it’s not violent with thing that are violent,” he said.

Supporters say the public has the right to be warned about anyone promoting prostitution and that the law will stop exploitation of women. State Rep. Jim Gotto, R-Hermitage, complained it ought to be extended to johns who solicit prostitutes. The issue goes over to the Senate, where it is yet to be heard in committee.]]> http://phxlist.com/forum/showthread.php?tid=3204 Mon, 05 Mar 2012 09:35:30 +0000 http://phxlist.com/forum/showthread.php?tid=3204
3/1/2012 - Dave notes this article caught my attention since I found Pattaya one of my best exotic travel experiences, before I found Canada more practical (and no legal risks either place). I was also well known and active on Thai sexwork discussion boards with some bar owners etc etc long ago... All adults and legal in Thailand as "special services" from "Entertainment Establishments" as I wrote extensively about and details of my "adventures" at http://www.sexwork.com/Thailand/contents.html and specifically some Pattaya Walking street reports and pictures at
http://www.sexwork.com/Thailand/pattayafriday.html and "Old Dave gets lost again in Pattaya at http://www.sexwork.com/Thailand/pattdavelostagain.html and pictures at http://www.sexwork.com/Thailand/soi8%20pictures.html

2012 Article Highlights:
The Thai government may be trying to cast away its image as a destination for sex tourism but the Walking Street of Pattaya is blissfully unaware of this. Pattaya, a gamey city south of Bangkok, recently made the world press again when photos were flashed around the world showing three suspected Iranian bombers cavorting with prostitutes in the resort city. They later managed to blow up their rented house in Bangkok and one of the three blew off his own legs trying to throw explosives at police. All are in custody, one in Malaysia.

A signboard at the entrance to Walking Street says more. It reads: 'Passion of Wonderful Night'. There are young girls sitting outside the shops and interestingly many shops have uniforms for them. Some uniforms are more exotic than trousers and shirt; they are sarongs and colorful ethnic tops. Most of the girls are in their 20s. Many come in from the north and north-eastern parts of Thailand due to poor living conditions. They work for about 10 years and then go back to their village. Often they get married again and this time more happily because they are rich." Their monetary independence makes them more attractive,"there is not much stigma attached to their profession." And yet, in the same breath, he adds, "We come from Chiang Mai, which is very conservative and would not let our girls into such a profession."

As though to reinforce his contention, Julia -- her western name, which she uses for the ease of her customers - says, "I worked in Walking Street when I was young. The number of years you can work there is short... the luckiest work for about 10 to 13 years. I have now taken to this." Julia looks down at her cart where she has a variety of fruits stacked. She cuts them for you, individually or as a fruit salad.

The law punishes an offender only if he "shamelessly and openly" solicits a prostitute. Thai society also cites the tradition that it is the foremost duty of a daughter to look after her parents, by whatever means it may be.

Full article at http://www.asiasentinel.com/index.php?op...Itemid=189 It is also about nuns and Monks but doesn't make a lot of sense related to Pattay's Walking Street.]]>
3/1/2012 - Dave notes this article caught my attention since I found Pattaya one of my best exotic travel experiences, before I found Canada more practical (and no legal risks either place). I was also well known and active on Thai sexwork discussion boards with some bar owners etc etc long ago... All adults and legal in Thailand as "special services" from "Entertainment Establishments" as I wrote extensively about and details of my "adventures" at http://www.sexwork.com/Thailand/contents.html and specifically some Pattaya Walking street reports and pictures at
http://www.sexwork.com/Thailand/pattayafriday.html and "Old Dave gets lost again in Pattaya at http://www.sexwork.com/Thailand/pattdavelostagain.html and pictures at http://www.sexwork.com/Thailand/soi8%20pictures.html

2012 Article Highlights:
The Thai government may be trying to cast away its image as a destination for sex tourism but the Walking Street of Pattaya is blissfully unaware of this. Pattaya, a gamey city south of Bangkok, recently made the world press again when photos were flashed around the world showing three suspected Iranian bombers cavorting with prostitutes in the resort city. They later managed to blow up their rented house in Bangkok and one of the three blew off his own legs trying to throw explosives at police. All are in custody, one in Malaysia.

A signboard at the entrance to Walking Street says more. It reads: 'Passion of Wonderful Night'. There are young girls sitting outside the shops and interestingly many shops have uniforms for them. Some uniforms are more exotic than trousers and shirt; they are sarongs and colorful ethnic tops. Most of the girls are in their 20s. Many come in from the north and north-eastern parts of Thailand due to poor living conditions. They work for about 10 years and then go back to their village. Often they get married again and this time more happily because they are rich." Their monetary independence makes them more attractive,"there is not much stigma attached to their profession." And yet, in the same breath, he adds, "We come from Chiang Mai, which is very conservative and would not let our girls into such a profession."

As though to reinforce his contention, Julia -- her western name, which she uses for the ease of her customers - says, "I worked in Walking Street when I was young. The number of years you can work there is short... the luckiest work for about 10 to 13 years. I have now taken to this." Julia looks down at her cart where she has a variety of fruits stacked. She cuts them for you, individually or as a fruit salad.

The law punishes an offender only if he "shamelessly and openly" solicits a prostitute. Thai society also cites the tradition that it is the foremost duty of a daughter to look after her parents, by whatever means it may be.

Full article at http://www.asiasentinel.com/index.php?op...Itemid=189 It is also about nuns and Monks but doesn't make a lot of sense related to Pattay's Walking Street.]]>