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Sadly Mikez of Phxasp has posted another false rumor. Not surprising based on his past history.

NO it is not about my Private List or board. But various people have been asking me about the post and I have been sent a copy.

He falsely has posted that Naughty News is in process of closing down and filing bankruptcy supposedly from two sources.

Over the years I have been in touch with various NN moderators sharing things to help the Community, especially when he contacted me asking about a certain escort situation.

In response to my e-mail to NN about the rumor:

Hi Dave,

You have a great reputation and its nice to finally get to meet you. There is absolutely no truth to the
rumors posted on his site. To be honest with you it looks like he's making a bit of a desperate attempt
for traffic. Interestingly it coincides with CL being shut down.

I appreciate your offer to help his rumor go away. Anyone can see that we are growing like
gangbusters and that we just went live with our new site yesterday.

Thanks for getting in touch and I hope we can keep an open dialogue in the future.

Dave notes:
If you look at the web stats it may be evident why Mike is getting desperate:
http://siteanalytics.compete.com/phxasp.com/

Compare to NN:
http://siteanalytics.compete.com/naughtyreviews.com/

Or compare to my Phxlist.com which also had a decline but is more under the radar, I don't spread false rumors and consistently has more traffic:
http://siteanalytics.compete.com/phxasp....xlist.com/

In my view this should not be a competition but mutually supportive to benefit the Community as Jack and my relationship has been now for many years. Sadly Mike does not have the same attitude.

Be nice if we could all just get along, like I tried to do with Mike when he first came to Phoenix when I went to his meets etc. But then he got upset because I allowed escorts to post the truth about one of his good buddies that in 12 years was only the 2nd person to ever be kicked off the Private List for lying to me about his "mutual back scratching" with Companions on the List that got so upset with him.]]>
Sadly Mikez of Phxasp has posted another false rumor. Not surprising based on his past history.

NO it is not about my Private List or board. But various people have been asking me about the post and I have been sent a copy.

He falsely has posted that Naughty News is in process of closing down and filing bankruptcy supposedly from two sources.

Over the years I have been in touch with various NN moderators sharing things to help the Community, especially when he contacted me asking about a certain escort situation.

In response to my e-mail to NN about the rumor:

Hi Dave,

You have a great reputation and its nice to finally get to meet you. There is absolutely no truth to the
rumors posted on his site. To be honest with you it looks like he's making a bit of a desperate attempt
for traffic. Interestingly it coincides with CL being shut down.

I appreciate your offer to help his rumor go away. Anyone can see that we are growing like
gangbusters and that we just went live with our new site yesterday.

Thanks for getting in touch and I hope we can keep an open dialogue in the future.

Dave notes:
If you look at the web stats it may be evident why Mike is getting desperate:
http://siteanalytics.compete.com/phxasp.com/

Compare to NN:
http://siteanalytics.compete.com/naughtyreviews.com/

Or compare to my Phxlist.com which also had a decline but is more under the radar, I don't spread false rumors and consistently has more traffic:
http://siteanalytics.compete.com/phxasp....xlist.com/

In my view this should not be a competition but mutually supportive to benefit the Community as Jack and my relationship has been now for many years. Sadly Mike does not have the same attitude.

Be nice if we could all just get along, like I tried to do with Mike when he first came to Phoenix when I went to his meets etc. But then he got upset because I allowed escorts to post the truth about one of his good buddies that in 12 years was only the 2nd person to ever be kicked off the Private List for lying to me about his "mutual back scratching" with Companions on the List that got so upset with him.]]> http://phxlist.com/forum/showthread.php?tid=413 Sat, 04 Sep 2010 19:26:05 -0500 http://phxlist.com/forum/showthread.php?tid=413
Claire Finch was tried for running a brothel in a sleepy village in Bedfordshire, but even the judge was smiling when she was cleared.

Police raids at 10.45 in the morning are not common in the sleepy cul-de-sac of Chalton Heights, Bedfordshire. When the banging on the door began, Claire Finch was getting ready to have a bath. Although the small massage parlour she ran from her home was not yet open, she headed downstairs in her dressing gown.

Before she could reach the door reserved for her clients, several police officers kicked it in. Outside, 20 others had surrounded the house with four cars, three vans and a team of sniffer dogs. The 49-year-old was arrested and charged with brothel keeping, a crime under the Sexual Offences Act of 1956 that carries a maximum prison sentence of seven years.

Working in th parlour where six middle-aged women, two or three working at any one time, sold massages with “happy endings”. Although women are legally entitled to sell sex individually, if they club together they risk a charge of brothel keeping for whoever has their name on the lease. “We weren’t worried though,” she continues, gesturing with an immaculately manicured hand. “A blind eye has been turned for so many years. You only have to open a paper to see the ads stating ‘Choice of eight ladies’.”

“We weren’t women doing drugs on street corners or even Belle de Jour, nipping off to Italy on the weekend. We were just middle-aged ladies trying to pay the mortgage,” she says.

The jury, it seemed, sympathised with her. Despite the legislation, Finch was cleared of keeping a brothel last month. Three of her neighbours, including an 87-year-old woman testified on her behalf in court, while another sent a letter of support. They told the jury that Finch was a decent member of the community who cared for an ill and incontinent neighbour and would look after their children in an emergency.

As the verdict was read out, Finch remembers seeing her daughter, neighbours and friends in tears. “It was a wonderful moment winning that case. Better than winning the lottery,” she says. “I was ecstatic. The whole place erupted . . . the policewoman squeezed my hand. Even the judge was smiling.”

“The question is whether it was in the public interest to prosecute the matter in the first instance,” says Finch’s solicitor, Stephen Halloran. “Parliament really needs to look at changing the law if a jury has lost confidence in something that’s more than 50 years old.”

According to research compiled by the English Collective of Prostitutes, working indoors is ten times safer than on the streets. The group also believes that the legislation on brothel-keeping needs to be changed, claiming that an increasing number of raids are forcing more women to work alone. The murder of the prostitute Andrea Waddell, who was found burned and strangled in her Brighton flat, where she worked alone, is cited as evidence of the dangers posed to this vulnerable group.

Certainly it is hard to imagine a more sheltered and suburban setting than Chalton. Among the rows of large detached houses, the voluptuous Grecian statues in the driveway easily identify Finch’s home. Inside, a disco ball hangs above a thick cream carpet; scented candles and oils subtly mask the smell of four pampered cats. The centre of her business operations is a converted downstairs office, now complete with massage table, whirlpool and copious amounts of hand sanitiser. Finch took a percentage of the group’s earnings for providing advertising and the premises, but each woman could choose what she wanted to offer to clients and when. “We were a happy house of women,” she recalls. There was always a friend on hand to intervene if a situation became threatening and chat to if it was a slow work day. “We talked about cushions, children or menstrual cycles. I don’t have a bunch of Ukrainians strapped to things in the cellar.”

Discussion on how others oppose due to forced trafficking problem....an agency owner concludes:

“Decriminalisation is the only way forward. They are making any form of safe work illegal. At my agency, we always knew where girls were, we screened the clients. All this legislation that is meant to protect women who are trafficked is simply pushing things underground.”

Last year, the Royal College of Nursing called for the licensing of small brothels to protect the safety of sex workers. John Greene, Claire Finch’s neighbour for ten years, agrees. Neither he nor his recently deceased wife were concerned by the business next door. “If it had been parties and cars all the time, it could have been hard but it never was. Most people get on well with Claire. It’s a market and someone will service that market.”

Full article at http://women.timesonline.co.uk/tol/life_...125757.ece]]>
Claire Finch was tried for running a brothel in a sleepy village in Bedfordshire, but even the judge was smiling when she was cleared.

Police raids at 10.45 in the morning are not common in the sleepy cul-de-sac of Chalton Heights, Bedfordshire. When the banging on the door began, Claire Finch was getting ready to have a bath. Although the small massage parlour she ran from her home was not yet open, she headed downstairs in her dressing gown.

Before she could reach the door reserved for her clients, several police officers kicked it in. Outside, 20 others had surrounded the house with four cars, three vans and a team of sniffer dogs. The 49-year-old was arrested and charged with brothel keeping, a crime under the Sexual Offences Act of 1956 that carries a maximum prison sentence of seven years.

Working in th parlour where six middle-aged women, two or three working at any one time, sold massages with “happy endings”. Although women are legally entitled to sell sex individually, if they club together they risk a charge of brothel keeping for whoever has their name on the lease. “We weren’t worried though,” she continues, gesturing with an immaculately manicured hand. “A blind eye has been turned for so many years. You only have to open a paper to see the ads stating ‘Choice of eight ladies’.”

“We weren’t women doing drugs on street corners or even Belle de Jour, nipping off to Italy on the weekend. We were just middle-aged ladies trying to pay the mortgage,” she says.

The jury, it seemed, sympathised with her. Despite the legislation, Finch was cleared of keeping a brothel last month. Three of her neighbours, including an 87-year-old woman testified on her behalf in court, while another sent a letter of support. They told the jury that Finch was a decent member of the community who cared for an ill and incontinent neighbour and would look after their children in an emergency.

As the verdict was read out, Finch remembers seeing her daughter, neighbours and friends in tears. “It was a wonderful moment winning that case. Better than winning the lottery,” she says. “I was ecstatic. The whole place erupted . . . the policewoman squeezed my hand. Even the judge was smiling.”

“The question is whether it was in the public interest to prosecute the matter in the first instance,” says Finch’s solicitor, Stephen Halloran. “Parliament really needs to look at changing the law if a jury has lost confidence in something that’s more than 50 years old.”

According to research compiled by the English Collective of Prostitutes, working indoors is ten times safer than on the streets. The group also believes that the legislation on brothel-keeping needs to be changed, claiming that an increasing number of raids are forcing more women to work alone. The murder of the prostitute Andrea Waddell, who was found burned and strangled in her Brighton flat, where she worked alone, is cited as evidence of the dangers posed to this vulnerable group.

Certainly it is hard to imagine a more sheltered and suburban setting than Chalton. Among the rows of large detached houses, the voluptuous Grecian statues in the driveway easily identify Finch’s home. Inside, a disco ball hangs above a thick cream carpet; scented candles and oils subtly mask the smell of four pampered cats. The centre of her business operations is a converted downstairs office, now complete with massage table, whirlpool and copious amounts of hand sanitiser. Finch took a percentage of the group’s earnings for providing advertising and the premises, but each woman could choose what she wanted to offer to clients and when. “We were a happy house of women,” she recalls. There was always a friend on hand to intervene if a situation became threatening and chat to if it was a slow work day. “We talked about cushions, children or menstrual cycles. I don’t have a bunch of Ukrainians strapped to things in the cellar.”

Discussion on how others oppose due to forced trafficking problem....an agency owner concludes:

“Decriminalisation is the only way forward. They are making any form of safe work illegal. At my agency, we always knew where girls were, we screened the clients. All this legislation that is meant to protect women who are trafficked is simply pushing things underground.”

Last year, the Royal College of Nursing called for the licensing of small brothels to protect the safety of sex workers. John Greene, Claire Finch’s neighbour for ten years, agrees. Neither he nor his recently deceased wife were concerned by the business next door. “If it had been parties and cars all the time, it could have been hard but it never was. Most people get on well with Claire. It’s a market and someone will service that market.”

Full article at http://women.timesonline.co.uk/tol/life_...125757.ece]]> http://phxlist.com/forum/showthread.php?tid=412 Sat, 04 Sep 2010 17:08:34 -0500 http://phxlist.com/forum/showthread.php?tid=412
Bad news for Craigslist users who like to peruse the Erotic Services Adult Services section of their site. It’s gone, replaced by a large black and white “censored” logo.

Craigslist has fought back using little more than their blog and logic. And they’re right. Having prostitution up front and regulated, as Craigslist does, means less crime is associated with it.

: This only appears to affect U.S. sites, so if you’re looking for a happy ending in Saskatoon or the West Bank, have at it.

Working Girl says
As one of the women effected by this personally and someone who lives in Nevada, the state where PIMPING, not prostitution, is legal...We are one of the most puritanical and prudish counties in the world and the more we hide behind so called "law-makers" to raise and protect our children, the less control we have over their lives and our own.

If you paid attention to what your kids do on the net, they would never be touched by the "adult sections" of the world. If you are just worried about what your husband or boyfriend are doing, then maybe you need to handle your life, address the issues and not blame others for your mate's straying.

No matter what argument you feed against prostitution or it's advertisement on the net, you can not dispute the facts. Adult sections keep what you don't want to see out of your face, off the street and more accountable through review boards and the "word of mouth system". It keeps more clients and escorts/prostitues safer and discrete, as well as cleaner and more informed.

No one will ever fight a war on prostitution and win. Every wife who cuts her husband off till he behaves or puts out the credit cards whores herself and we have taught our daughters those tricks for years. The only difference between other women and women like myself is that divorce is much more expensive than the 250.00 an hour I charge, I never have a headache and I would never tell all my friends how I have whored myself to my husband for a new car or a diamond ring or teach my daughter that acting like that is ok.

Time to grow up and face reality. We will always be around, but forcing us into a box will just cause more heartache than asking us to stay on our own side of the street.]]>
Bad news for Craigslist users who like to peruse the Erotic Services Adult Services section of their site. It’s gone, replaced by a large black and white “censored” logo.

Craigslist has fought back using little more than their blog and logic. And they’re right. Having prostitution up front and regulated, as Craigslist does, means less crime is associated with it.

: This only appears to affect U.S. sites, so if you’re looking for a happy ending in Saskatoon or the West Bank, have at it.

Working Girl says
As one of the women effected by this personally and someone who lives in Nevada, the state where PIMPING, not prostitution, is legal...We are one of the most puritanical and prudish counties in the world and the more we hide behind so called "law-makers" to raise and protect our children, the less control we have over their lives and our own.

If you paid attention to what your kids do on the net, they would never be touched by the "adult sections" of the world. If you are just worried about what your husband or boyfriend are doing, then maybe you need to handle your life, address the issues and not blame others for your mate's straying.

No matter what argument you feed against prostitution or it's advertisement on the net, you can not dispute the facts. Adult sections keep what you don't want to see out of your face, off the street and more accountable through review boards and the "word of mouth system". It keeps more clients and escorts/prostitues safer and discrete, as well as cleaner and more informed.

No one will ever fight a war on prostitution and win. Every wife who cuts her husband off till he behaves or puts out the credit cards whores herself and we have taught our daughters those tricks for years. The only difference between other women and women like myself is that divorce is much more expensive than the 250.00 an hour I charge, I never have a headache and I would never tell all my friends how I have whored myself to my husband for a new car or a diamond ring or teach my daughter that acting like that is ok.

Time to grow up and face reality. We will always be around, but forcing us into a box will just cause more heartache than asking us to stay on our own side of the street.]]> http://phxlist.com/forum/showthread.php?tid=411 Sun, 29 Aug 2010 22:09:18 -0500 http://phxlist.com/forum/showthread.php?tid=411
8/28/10 - Sexworkers across Canada are enraged over new regulations aimed at organized crime. The Justice Minster announced new regulations which give the government powers to wiretap, deny bail and "move in on people" without warrants. The regulations were enacted without debate in Parliament and targeted to fight organized crime. The new regulations include "bawdy houses" the seldom enforced 1800's law against incalls.

Private outcall prostitution of course has always been legal in Canada, as in most of the world except the U.S.

Toronto Sun article: Aug 27 2010
Bawdy politics: Critics say new regulation endangers sex workers' lives
Highlights:
It's hard to picture Claire Jones in bed with organized crime. The curvy sex worker, who has been plying her prodigious assets for seven years now, could one day face five years in jail if she works with other “girls'' at her luxury downtown condo. And she does, at least sometimes.

New regulations announced by Justice Minister Rob Nicholson, regulations aimed at strengthening “the ability of law enforcement to fight organized crime,'' put her at risk. They affect everything from illegal gaming operations to auto theft rings.

Under Canadian law "organized crime" is three or more people committing serious offences for financial benefit.

So, in the eyes of Prime Minister Stephen Harper's government, a trio of prostitutes partying together with their “dates'' are tantamount to The Sopranos, and deserve the same treatment as gun runners or drug gangs. Sex workers could now face “at least five years'' in prison, have all their assets seized and their children taken away.

That despite how prostitution is not illegal in Canada. (But) a sex worker putting her adult child through university is against the law, and would designate that child as a “pimp.'' (living of the avails).

What independent sex workers who do “in-calls'' are worried about is that the new regulations could push them into the streets, where it's both unclean and unsafe.

Says Valerie Scott of Sex Professionals of Canada (SPOC), “I laugh when people say they've never met a sex worker. Yes you have. You just don't know it. And if you live in a condominium building, there are one or two sex workers in there. You just don't know it." All of which makes this new regulation absurd, says Scott, especially since there are many tough laws dealing with the very real problems of human trafficking, child exploitation plus other crimes associated with organized crime. The new regulations should leave the consenting adult sex workers – small business operators, in essence—alone.

“Lumping us under organized crime and giving us a five-year prison sentence for working indoors, in safe clean environments, is ridiculous. We're not trafficking in drugs, we're not trafficking in people, we're providing a service.''

But, to the minority Conservative government, it's all part of law-and-order agenda. “This government engages a lot in symbolic politics,'' says lawyer Alan Young...They simply are being done to send messages that we are the tough old boys from a different moral era.'' ... the government pushes on with its crusading, crime-fighting image.

Jones, a happily married of four with a degree in computer science, moved into the sex trade during the last dot.com bust. She, like other sex workers and just about all the experts on prostitution, say that the safest, and the cleanest, place to work is indoors.

“Where are you going to shower? Where you going to clean? How safe is that?'' she wonders. “Every client has a shower when they come through my door. “Are you going to do it in the back seat of a car? And where are the used condoms going? You're picking up somebody in the street, how safe that? You have no idea who they are.

“We screen our clients through emails, telephone numbers and, indoors, it's all prebooked , preplanned. The clients are awesome. I've made great money. And I've not had a single bad experience.”

Still, the government pushes on with its crusading crime-fighting image. Which all goes to reinforce Young's case, fought by half a dozen crown attorneys and resulting in some 88,000 pages of evidence. He's out to prove that, with the laws putting sex workers at risk, their human rights are being violated.

“Everything that has happened since the case was argued simply underscores what we're trying to establish,'' notes Young. “The revelation about Pickton (pig farmer who murdered many street prostitutes) underscored that there has to be a safe haven for street workers, when you see how inept the police were in responding to the missing women."

“And then you have Harper saying, well we're going to make bawdy house more serious. So his message is, we're not going to let you move indoors to a safer place. There's a real sort of Alice in Wonderland absurdity to what's happening right now in legal and political responses to the sex trade.”

What's more, say experts, the new regulations could lead to even more abuses of sex worker rights.

“Yes, I am fearful as to how the police will use these new powers to keep us all ‘moral,'” says Dr. Michael Goodyear, assistant professor of medicine at Dalhousie University. “There is actually more evidence to suggest that prohibitions of morals—alcohol, drugs, sex—create an atmosphere facilitating organized crime and violence.'' As Davies, who was part of a 2006 task force examining the prostitution laws, points out, there's no solid reason to include bawdy houses in the new regulations.

“I asked that they provide me with research and evidence as to why these changes are necessary — which I know they don't have because they never do,'' she says. “It's their own political optics.”

This is all over most every newspaper in Canada and I have yet to see any support for the new regulation.

For example in Victoria, B.C, where the major agencies have incalls downtown and the police visit only to be sure all are adults and licensed (small fee) as I've reported from Victoria where I enjoyed the incalls years ago - Victoria Times Colonist editor concludes his attack on the regulation saying on 8/29/10:

"Morality and stupidity are never justifiable excuses for bad laws that, when enforced, make bad situations worse... elected officials must get beyond their feelings of ickiness and hypocrisy. A crackdown will not only put sex- trade workers' lives in greater danger, it will also force them onto the street. Many voters, including my wife and I, like the fact that most prostitutes (except for a few drug-addled addicts) are no longer walking our streets and we want to keep it that way.

We do not want our tax dollars wasted on a return to the bad old days of the 1990s, when people like myself could not walk down Government Street or go to a nightclub without being propositioned."

(Dave notes that is because of all the incalls (bawdy houses) run by the agencies where you may have the choice of maybe 100 often college gals working their way through school for about $180/hr in very nice comfortable bedrooms. Far safer than the streets with murders of street prostitutes going on including the pig farmer Pickton, who murdered so many street prostitutes in Vancouver)]]>
8/28/10 - Sexworkers across Canada are enraged over new regulations aimed at organized crime. The Justice Minster announced new regulations which give the government powers to wiretap, deny bail and "move in on people" without warrants. The regulations were enacted without debate in Parliament and targeted to fight organized crime. The new regulations include "bawdy houses" the seldom enforced 1800's law against incalls.

Private outcall prostitution of course has always been legal in Canada, as in most of the world except the U.S.

Toronto Sun article: Aug 27 2010
Bawdy politics: Critics say new regulation endangers sex workers' lives
Highlights:
It's hard to picture Claire Jones in bed with organized crime. The curvy sex worker, who has been plying her prodigious assets for seven years now, could one day face five years in jail if she works with other “girls'' at her luxury downtown condo. And she does, at least sometimes.

New regulations announced by Justice Minister Rob Nicholson, regulations aimed at strengthening “the ability of law enforcement to fight organized crime,'' put her at risk. They affect everything from illegal gaming operations to auto theft rings.

Under Canadian law "organized crime" is three or more people committing serious offences for financial benefit.

So, in the eyes of Prime Minister Stephen Harper's government, a trio of prostitutes partying together with their “dates'' are tantamount to The Sopranos, and deserve the same treatment as gun runners or drug gangs. Sex workers could now face “at least five years'' in prison, have all their assets seized and their children taken away.

That despite how prostitution is not illegal in Canada. (But) a sex worker putting her adult child through university is against the law, and would designate that child as a “pimp.'' (living of the avails).

What independent sex workers who do “in-calls'' are worried about is that the new regulations could push them into the streets, where it's both unclean and unsafe.

Says Valerie Scott of Sex Professionals of Canada (SPOC), “I laugh when people say they've never met a sex worker. Yes you have. You just don't know it. And if you live in a condominium building, there are one or two sex workers in there. You just don't know it." All of which makes this new regulation absurd, says Scott, especially since there are many tough laws dealing with the very real problems of human trafficking, child exploitation plus other crimes associated with organized crime. The new regulations should leave the consenting adult sex workers – small business operators, in essence—alone.

“Lumping us under organized crime and giving us a five-year prison sentence for working indoors, in safe clean environments, is ridiculous. We're not trafficking in drugs, we're not trafficking in people, we're providing a service.''

But, to the minority Conservative government, it's all part of law-and-order agenda. “This government engages a lot in symbolic politics,'' says lawyer Alan Young...They simply are being done to send messages that we are the tough old boys from a different moral era.'' ... the government pushes on with its crusading, crime-fighting image.

Jones, a happily married of four with a degree in computer science, moved into the sex trade during the last dot.com bust. She, like other sex workers and just about all the experts on prostitution, say that the safest, and the cleanest, place to work is indoors.

“Where are you going to shower? Where you going to clean? How safe is that?'' she wonders. “Every client has a shower when they come through my door. “Are you going to do it in the back seat of a car? And where are the used condoms going? You're picking up somebody in the street, how safe that? You have no idea who they are.

“We screen our clients through emails, telephone numbers and, indoors, it's all prebooked , preplanned. The clients are awesome. I've made great money. And I've not had a single bad experience.”

Still, the government pushes on with its crusading crime-fighting image. Which all goes to reinforce Young's case, fought by half a dozen crown attorneys and resulting in some 88,000 pages of evidence. He's out to prove that, with the laws putting sex workers at risk, their human rights are being violated.

“Everything that has happened since the case was argued simply underscores what we're trying to establish,'' notes Young. “The revelation about Pickton (pig farmer who murdered many street prostitutes) underscored that there has to be a safe haven for street workers, when you see how inept the police were in responding to the missing women."

“And then you have Harper saying, well we're going to make bawdy house more serious. So his message is, we're not going to let you move indoors to a safer place. There's a real sort of Alice in Wonderland absurdity to what's happening right now in legal and political responses to the sex trade.”

What's more, say experts, the new regulations could lead to even more abuses of sex worker rights.

“Yes, I am fearful as to how the police will use these new powers to keep us all ‘moral,'” says Dr. Michael Goodyear, assistant professor of medicine at Dalhousie University. “There is actually more evidence to suggest that prohibitions of morals—alcohol, drugs, sex—create an atmosphere facilitating organized crime and violence.'' As Davies, who was part of a 2006 task force examining the prostitution laws, points out, there's no solid reason to include bawdy houses in the new regulations.

“I asked that they provide me with research and evidence as to why these changes are necessary — which I know they don't have because they never do,'' she says. “It's their own political optics.”

This is all over most every newspaper in Canada and I have yet to see any support for the new regulation.

For example in Victoria, B.C, where the major agencies have incalls downtown and the police visit only to be sure all are adults and licensed (small fee) as I've reported from Victoria where I enjoyed the incalls years ago - Victoria Times Colonist editor concludes his attack on the regulation saying on 8/29/10:

"Morality and stupidity are never justifiable excuses for bad laws that, when enforced, make bad situations worse... elected officials must get beyond their feelings of ickiness and hypocrisy. A crackdown will not only put sex- trade workers' lives in greater danger, it will also force them onto the street. Many voters, including my wife and I, like the fact that most prostitutes (except for a few drug-addled addicts) are no longer walking our streets and we want to keep it that way.

We do not want our tax dollars wasted on a return to the bad old days of the 1990s, when people like myself could not walk down Government Street or go to a nightclub without being propositioned."

(Dave notes that is because of all the incalls (bawdy houses) run by the agencies where you may have the choice of maybe 100 often college gals working their way through school for about $180/hr in very nice comfortable bedrooms. Far safer than the streets with murders of street prostitutes going on including the pig farmer Pickton, who murdered so many street prostitutes in Vancouver)]]> http://phxlist.com/forum/showthread.php?tid=410 Sun, 29 Aug 2010 20:59:05 -0500 http://phxlist.com/forum/showthread.php?tid=410
August 29, 2010 - Cook County’s one-year-old Public Morals Ordinance is beginning to get results. More than 100 men looking to pay for sex have been cited under the ordinance, according to the Cook County sheriff’s office.

“We’re waging a war on prostitution and want to make it incredibly difficult for every aspect of it to operate here,” says Cook County Sheriff Tom Dart.

The back-to-back billboards are located on a stretch of Mannheim Road in Leyden Township littered with no-tell motels that have been targeted in stings. The billboards read: “Chances are, the woman you are about to pick up works for us. Expect to pay $2,150” and “Dear John, if you’re here to solicit sex, it could cost you $2,150. We’re teaming up to bust you.”

The stings and public awareness program are part of an effort by the sheriff’s office and Leyden Township Supervisor Bradley Stephens to improve the quality of life for area residents.

The money from fines is funneled into the Department of Women’s Justice Services, a program that helps women leave a life of prostitution for a more stable one.

On Friday night, a man was arrested for soliciting sex directly under the billboards. “Some people just don’t get it,” Dart said. “We are going to go after every aspect of prostitution in this area and elsewhere.”

Dave notes hopefully this is limited to street hookers the kind SWOP wants to make legal which is why they have and will continue to fail with their insistence on legalizing this public nuisance. A huge different vs in private consenting adult sexwork, legal in almost all the world with no big issues, except the U.S.

Source: Chicago Sun-Times]]>
August 29, 2010 - Cook County’s one-year-old Public Morals Ordinance is beginning to get results. More than 100 men looking to pay for sex have been cited under the ordinance, according to the Cook County sheriff’s office.

“We’re waging a war on prostitution and want to make it incredibly difficult for every aspect of it to operate here,” says Cook County Sheriff Tom Dart.

The back-to-back billboards are located on a stretch of Mannheim Road in Leyden Township littered with no-tell motels that have been targeted in stings. The billboards read: “Chances are, the woman you are about to pick up works for us. Expect to pay $2,150” and “Dear John, if you’re here to solicit sex, it could cost you $2,150. We’re teaming up to bust you.”

The stings and public awareness program are part of an effort by the sheriff’s office and Leyden Township Supervisor Bradley Stephens to improve the quality of life for area residents.

The money from fines is funneled into the Department of Women’s Justice Services, a program that helps women leave a life of prostitution for a more stable one.

On Friday night, a man was arrested for soliciting sex directly under the billboards. “Some people just don’t get it,” Dart said. “We are going to go after every aspect of prostitution in this area and elsewhere.”

Dave notes hopefully this is limited to street hookers the kind SWOP wants to make legal which is why they have and will continue to fail with their insistence on legalizing this public nuisance. A huge different vs in private consenting adult sexwork, legal in almost all the world with no big issues, except the U.S.

Source: Chicago Sun-Times]]> http://phxlist.com/forum/showthread.php?tid=409 Fri, 27 Aug 2010 22:25:37 -0500 http://phxlist.com/forum/showthread.php?tid=409
AD NAME PHONE ISSUE
COLLEGE GIRL CUTIE 480-941-3110 NOT THE SAME GIRL
KIM 602 262-5402 FAKE ASS AGENCY
HEDI 602 253-1537 NAUGHTY ESCORTS
AMY 602 252-3247 FAKE ASS AGENCY 1
LEIGH 602 252-3466 FAKE ASS AGENCY 1
BREE 480-471-5982 NO OTHER ADS
JESSICA 602 252-3259 FAKE ASS AGENCY 1
SHAYLA 602 462-1739 FAKE ASS AGENCY 1
JENNIFER 602 262-4101 FAKE ASS AGENCY 1
HAILEY 602 262-4101 FAKE ASS AGENCY 1
LISA 602 252-3184 FAKE ASS AGENCY 1
THAI NANA 602 757-3441 NO NAME AGENCY 1
SANDY 602 757-3441 NO NAME AGENCY 1
RACHEL 623-748-3375 NO OTHER ADS
COURTNIE 602-388-2633 FAKE PICS
TAYLOR 602 466 3431 NO OTHER ADS
SHELLY 602 256-0151 DREAMS COME TRUE
CE CE 602-791-8169 MANY NAME AGENCY
BRITNEY/TAYLOR 623-742-3941 AGENCY NAME CHANGER
SARA 602-468-4168 MANY NAME AGENCY
ALANA 928 229-0579 NO OTHER ADS
SARA 602 223-3488 FAKE ASS AGENCY 1
HEDI 602-553-1976 NO OTHER ADS
SABRINA 602 238-9253 MANY NAME AGENCY
LAURA 602 253-1886 FAKE ASS AGENCY 1
JENNA 602 254-5106 FAKE ASS AGENCY 1]]>
AD NAME PHONE ISSUE
COLLEGE GIRL CUTIE 480-941-3110 NOT THE SAME GIRL
KIM 602 262-5402 FAKE ASS AGENCY
HEDI 602 253-1537 NAUGHTY ESCORTS
AMY 602 252-3247 FAKE ASS AGENCY 1
LEIGH 602 252-3466 FAKE ASS AGENCY 1
BREE 480-471-5982 NO OTHER ADS
JESSICA 602 252-3259 FAKE ASS AGENCY 1
SHAYLA 602 462-1739 FAKE ASS AGENCY 1
JENNIFER 602 262-4101 FAKE ASS AGENCY 1
HAILEY 602 262-4101 FAKE ASS AGENCY 1
LISA 602 252-3184 FAKE ASS AGENCY 1
THAI NANA 602 757-3441 NO NAME AGENCY 1
SANDY 602 757-3441 NO NAME AGENCY 1
RACHEL 623-748-3375 NO OTHER ADS
COURTNIE 602-388-2633 FAKE PICS
TAYLOR 602 466 3431 NO OTHER ADS
SHELLY 602 256-0151 DREAMS COME TRUE
CE CE 602-791-8169 MANY NAME AGENCY
BRITNEY/TAYLOR 623-742-3941 AGENCY NAME CHANGER
SARA 602-468-4168 MANY NAME AGENCY
ALANA 928 229-0579 NO OTHER ADS
SARA 602 223-3488 FAKE ASS AGENCY 1
HEDI 602-553-1976 NO OTHER ADS
SABRINA 602 238-9253 MANY NAME AGENCY
LAURA 602 253-1886 FAKE ASS AGENCY 1
JENNA 602 254-5106 FAKE ASS AGENCY 1]]> http://phxlist.com/forum/showthread.php?tid=408 Wed, 25 Aug 2010 06:33:12 -0500 http://phxlist.com/forum/showthread.php?tid=408
Dave Notes: I have often mentioned their articles and back when I was better off financially was a contributing member with donations to help them. Often had very good indepth creatively interesting articles and personal storie of sexworkers. Even some unique product ideas.

Good Summary from MotherJones.com
'It's Not Selling Your Body, It's More Like Controlled-Access Rental" and then
Then 8/24/10: UPDATE: RIP $pread?

Asked if he’s ever felt exploited as a sex worker, Will Rockwell—the 24-year-old editor-in-chief of the sex worker-operated magazine $pread—replies, "Yes, by the media. Every interview we do is twisted for the purposes of sensationalistic propaganda.

This sparked the 2005 creation of $pread, the country's only magazine developed by and for sex workers with about 3000 circulation but each copy often passed on to others.

Most flak has come not from religious groups but feminst's. "Apparently it's hard for some people to believe that women, let alone those of us men working, are able to choose sex work over other types of work under post-industrial capitalism. Despite the fact that the sex industry is the only one in which women get paid more than men, and they want to take that away from them! It's not selling your body, it's more like controlled-access rental."

The interview also says a lot in support of Craigslist etc.

However this part I had to post a reponse to:
"MJ: Why do you think prostitution has yet to be decriminalized in this country?

WR: Sex work has yet to decriminalized in the US because people fear what is most familiar: We know our fathers and husbands are clients of sex workers, and our sisters, cousins, and friends find a way to pay the rent when two or three jobs aren't enough to make ends meet.

I posted a response perhaps a bit overdone on my issue with SWOP but:

Spread has had great articles, I've even been a contributor in the past.

Sadly however the real reason all attempts of decriminalization has failed is because groups like SWOP have their main focus to force public nuisance street hookers on the public.

The U.S. is almost the only country in the world where in private consenting adult sexwork is not legal - at least outcall and incall varies from one gal per flat in the U. K. to large public brothels in Australia and New Zealand etc.

The citizens as expressed in independent polling do not want police and court resources wasted going after PRIVATE adult sexwork. Laws against in private consenting adult sexwork may be unconstitutional base on the Lawrence vs Texas Supreme Court decision which I have written extensively about over the years on sexwork.com.

SWOP is a well organized group that got their initiative on the ballot in both Berkeley a few years ago and later in San Francisco. They were of course soundly defeated over the street hooker issue. I just wish there were as organized group with their great leadership that was doing the same but only for in PRIVATE sexwork and I bet it would have won in both cities.

I barf every time someone posts the link to the "The San Francisco Task Force on Prostitution - Final Report" The ONLY reason the final report was agreed to was because the neighborhood group representatives walked out in protest since they wanted no part of a report that was for decriminalization of public nuisance street hookers like SWOP and the other groups insist on - leading to failure of all their efforts both in the U.S. and related efforts around the world for street hookers.

While private sexwork is legal in almost all the world except the U.S., street hooking is not. The exception of New Zealand where neighborhoods are very upset about the acceptance there and how terrible it has made certain residential neighborhoods. This clearly will not be tolerated in the U.S.

The only group that is a great model and just for private sexwork was Californians for Privacy but they were a small group embattled by controversy within but had done the most of any group in my view to have great ideas to work for decrim of PRIVATE sexwork.

Source: http://motherjones.com/riff/2010/08/update-spread-dead which links to orignal interview of 8/14/10]]>
Dave Notes: I have often mentioned their articles and back when I was better off financially was a contributing member with donations to help them. Often had very good indepth creatively interesting articles and personal storie of sexworkers. Even some unique product ideas.

Good Summary from MotherJones.com
'It's Not Selling Your Body, It's More Like Controlled-Access Rental" and then
Then 8/24/10: UPDATE: RIP $pread?

Asked if he’s ever felt exploited as a sex worker, Will Rockwell—the 24-year-old editor-in-chief of the sex worker-operated magazine $pread—replies, "Yes, by the media. Every interview we do is twisted for the purposes of sensationalistic propaganda.

This sparked the 2005 creation of $pread, the country's only magazine developed by and for sex workers with about 3000 circulation but each copy often passed on to others.

Most flak has come not from religious groups but feminst's. "Apparently it's hard for some people to believe that women, let alone those of us men working, are able to choose sex work over other types of work under post-industrial capitalism. Despite the fact that the sex industry is the only one in which women get paid more than men, and they want to take that away from them! It's not selling your body, it's more like controlled-access rental."

The interview also says a lot in support of Craigslist etc.

However this part I had to post a reponse to:
"MJ: Why do you think prostitution has yet to be decriminalized in this country?

WR: Sex work has yet to decriminalized in the US because people fear what is most familiar: We know our fathers and husbands are clients of sex workers, and our sisters, cousins, and friends find a way to pay the rent when two or three jobs aren't enough to make ends meet.

I posted a response perhaps a bit overdone on my issue with SWOP but:

Spread has had great articles, I've even been a contributor in the past.

Sadly however the real reason all attempts of decriminalization has failed is because groups like SWOP have their main focus to force public nuisance street hookers on the public.

The U.S. is almost the only country in the world where in private consenting adult sexwork is not legal - at least outcall and incall varies from one gal per flat in the U. K. to large public brothels in Australia and New Zealand etc.

The citizens as expressed in independent polling do not want police and court resources wasted going after PRIVATE adult sexwork. Laws against in private consenting adult sexwork may be unconstitutional base on the Lawrence vs Texas Supreme Court decision which I have written extensively about over the years on sexwork.com.

SWOP is a well organized group that got their initiative on the ballot in both Berkeley a few years ago and later in San Francisco. They were of course soundly defeated over the street hooker issue. I just wish there were as organized group with their great leadership that was doing the same but only for in PRIVATE sexwork and I bet it would have won in both cities.

I barf every time someone posts the link to the "The San Francisco Task Force on Prostitution - Final Report" The ONLY reason the final report was agreed to was because the neighborhood group representatives walked out in protest since they wanted no part of a report that was for decriminalization of public nuisance street hookers like SWOP and the other groups insist on - leading to failure of all their efforts both in the U.S. and related efforts around the world for street hookers.

While private sexwork is legal in almost all the world except the U.S., street hooking is not. The exception of New Zealand where neighborhoods are very upset about the acceptance there and how terrible it has made certain residential neighborhoods. This clearly will not be tolerated in the U.S.

The only group that is a great model and just for private sexwork was Californians for Privacy but they were a small group embattled by controversy within but had done the most of any group in my view to have great ideas to work for decrim of PRIVATE sexwork.

Source: http://motherjones.com/riff/2010/08/update-spread-dead which links to orignal interview of 8/14/10]]> http://phxlist.com/forum/showthread.php?tid=407 Mon, 23 Aug 2010 04:11:21 -0500 http://phxlist.com/forum/showthread.php?tid=407 Sex between two consenting adults without dinner and a movie should not be the business of government or anyone else.

They are all consensual acts between two or more parties. FORCED prostitution, of course, is a crime because it has a victim. And prostitutes who trespass by plying their trade without permission on private property are themselves committing a crime. But . Again, if an individual is genuinely concerned about what he sees as the plight of prostitutes, then he should resort to persuasion or provide an employment alternative instead of looking to the government to outlaw private activity.

A man practices a vice 'for his own happiness solely, and not from any malice toward others.' This reminds me of H. L. Mencken's famous definition of Puritanism: 'The haunting fear that someone, somewhere, may be happy.']]> Sex between two consenting adults without dinner and a movie should not be the business of government or anyone else.

They are all consensual acts between two or more parties. FORCED prostitution, of course, is a crime because it has a victim. And prostitutes who trespass by plying their trade without permission on private property are themselves committing a crime. But . Again, if an individual is genuinely concerned about what he sees as the plight of prostitutes, then he should resort to persuasion or provide an employment alternative instead of looking to the government to outlaw private activity.

A man practices a vice 'for his own happiness solely, and not from any malice toward others.' This reminds me of H. L. Mencken's famous definition of Puritanism: 'The haunting fear that someone, somewhere, may be happy.']]> http://phxlist.com/forum/showthread.php?tid=406 Mon, 23 Aug 2010 04:05:38 -0500 http://phxlist.com/forum/showthread.php?tid=406
I had a flat tire on US 65 yesterday, so I pulled over, got out of the
car and opened my trunk.

I took out my cardboard men, unfolded them and stood them at the rear of
my car facing oncoming traffic. They look so lifelike you wouldn't
believe it!!!

Just as I had hoped, cars started slowing down looking at the men which
made it much safer for me to work on the side of the road!

People honked and waved, and it wasn't long before one of Missouris' Finest pulled up behind me.

He wanted to know what the heck I was doing so I calmly explained that I
was changing my flat. He told me he could see that but demanded to know
what the heck my cardboard men were doing standing at the rear of my
car.

I couldn't believe he didn't know....SO I told him......
Well DUH...I explained to the angry trooper.....
They're my Emergency Flashers!!!!
....
I GO TO COURT IN JULY!!!]]>
I had a flat tire on US 65 yesterday, so I pulled over, got out of the
car and opened my trunk.

I took out my cardboard men, unfolded them and stood them at the rear of
my car facing oncoming traffic. They look so lifelike you wouldn't
believe it!!!

Just as I had hoped, cars started slowing down looking at the men which
made it much safer for me to work on the side of the road!

People honked and waved, and it wasn't long before one of Missouris' Finest pulled up behind me.

He wanted to know what the heck I was doing so I calmly explained that I
was changing my flat. He told me he could see that but demanded to know
what the heck my cardboard men were doing standing at the rear of my
car.

I couldn't believe he didn't know....SO I told him......
Well DUH...I explained to the angry trooper.....
They're my Emergency Flashers!!!!
....
I GO TO COURT IN JULY!!!]]> http://phxlist.com/forum/showthread.php?tid=405 Mon, 16 Aug 2010 04:51:36 -0500 http://phxlist.com/forum/showthread.php?tid=405
San Diego Reader - Problem of expanding red zones and unlicensed prostitutes in Tijuana.

Prostitution has burst its traditional boundaries that are legally recognized with the current economic woes. Another reason given for the expansion onto new turf is that customers don’t have the time to travel to downtown TJ and the Zona Norte. The majority of the new trade is located in the eastern part of the city, where prostitutes hang out at bars and consummate their transactions in adjacent motels.

the new zonas are not officially recognized and thus are fraught with the potential to incubate disease and foment crime. He points to the “official zona” along Coahuila, where women are given regular health inspections and the area is heavily policed. Alfaro estimates that of 5500 sex workers, only about half are legally registered with the health department.

A mobile health unit has been dispatched to service wayward sex workers in the 32 bars located in the Zona Este. Angel de la Torre Casillas, municipal director of health, stated that those who contract with a sexoservidora should ask to see her health card before indulging.

Full article and comments at
http://www.sandiegoreader.com/news/2010/...s-harlots/]]>
San Diego Reader - Problem of expanding red zones and unlicensed prostitutes in Tijuana.

Prostitution has burst its traditional boundaries that are legally recognized with the current economic woes. Another reason given for the expansion onto new turf is that customers don’t have the time to travel to downtown TJ and the Zona Norte. The majority of the new trade is located in the eastern part of the city, where prostitutes hang out at bars and consummate their transactions in adjacent motels.

the new zonas are not officially recognized and thus are fraught with the potential to incubate disease and foment crime. He points to the “official zona” along Coahuila, where women are given regular health inspections and the area is heavily policed. Alfaro estimates that of 5500 sex workers, only about half are legally registered with the health department.

A mobile health unit has been dispatched to service wayward sex workers in the 32 bars located in the Zona Este. Angel de la Torre Casillas, municipal director of health, stated that those who contract with a sexoservidora should ask to see her health card before indulging.

Full article and comments at
http://www.sandiegoreader.com/news/2010/...s-harlots/]]> http://phxlist.com/forum/showthread.php?tid=404 Mon, 16 Aug 2010 00:16:59 -0500 http://phxlist.com/forum/showthread.php?tid=404
8/15/10 - PROSTITUTES are allegedly using the cover of Ramadan to continue plying their trade, according to a Manama councillor. They are "setting up shop" in Ramadan tents, wearing semi-decent clothing, but making their availability plain to potential clients, says Manama Municipal Council member Abdulmajeed Al Sebea'a.

He said he was concerned that the Interior and Culture ministries would turn a blind eye to such acts in the name of protecting tents' businesses and Bahrain's tourist image during Ramadan. Mr Al Sebea'a said his concerns were based on what happened last year and he was worried that similar incidents will re-occur.

He also inspected a number of hotels in the days leading up to Ramadan and claimed he saw a number of working girls operating in tents. "Since Ramadan tents are now open, I call on the government to take action against groups of prostitutes wearing semi-decent clothing, who are distributed around tables to offer themselves to customers," said Mr Al Sebea'a.

"A number of hotels encourage the continuation of prostitution during Ramadan through tents, considering that the number of customers drops considerably during this month and there are fewer options for such activities."

Mr Al Sebea'a, who regularly assembles reports on prostitution in the Capital Governorate, is demanding the government take immediate action. "I don't think that sending a memo to hotels and monitoring them daily will be a problem, considering many officials visit Ramadan tents as part of the country's social scene. "It just needs someone being a bit harsh with those prostitutes and it wouldn't be a problem for officials to leave their tables for five minutes and take action and then continue whatever they are doing. "I am not against tents, but they are being run in an unorganised manner that allows the integration of those prostitutes and makes it very hard to single them out."

Mr Al Sebea'a said that the authorities concerned should also start preparing for hotels that will be opening more outlets during the Eid holidays, where there are more opportunities for prostitution. "The fear is that Ramadan and Eid will pass without any action being taken and I am here begging that authorities concerned to take firm action," he said.

"Families like to enjoy both occasions and with those prostitutes around as chocolates many feel offended."

An Interior Ministry spokesman said that Mr Al Sebea'a claims would be investigated.

The councillor claimed last June that Bahrain was facing an invasion of "sex tourists" from around the Gulf in the summer holiday season.

http://www.gulf-daily-news.com/NewsDetai...yid=284728]]>
8/15/10 - PROSTITUTES are allegedly using the cover of Ramadan to continue plying their trade, according to a Manama councillor. They are "setting up shop" in Ramadan tents, wearing semi-decent clothing, but making their availability plain to potential clients, says Manama Municipal Council member Abdulmajeed Al Sebea'a.

He said he was concerned that the Interior and Culture ministries would turn a blind eye to such acts in the name of protecting tents' businesses and Bahrain's tourist image during Ramadan. Mr Al Sebea'a said his concerns were based on what happened last year and he was worried that similar incidents will re-occur.

He also inspected a number of hotels in the days leading up to Ramadan and claimed he saw a number of working girls operating in tents. "Since Ramadan tents are now open, I call on the government to take action against groups of prostitutes wearing semi-decent clothing, who are distributed around tables to offer themselves to customers," said Mr Al Sebea'a.

"A number of hotels encourage the continuation of prostitution during Ramadan through tents, considering that the number of customers drops considerably during this month and there are fewer options for such activities."

Mr Al Sebea'a, who regularly assembles reports on prostitution in the Capital Governorate, is demanding the government take immediate action. "I don't think that sending a memo to hotels and monitoring them daily will be a problem, considering many officials visit Ramadan tents as part of the country's social scene. "It just needs someone being a bit harsh with those prostitutes and it wouldn't be a problem for officials to leave their tables for five minutes and take action and then continue whatever they are doing. "I am not against tents, but they are being run in an unorganised manner that allows the integration of those prostitutes and makes it very hard to single them out."

Mr Al Sebea'a said that the authorities concerned should also start preparing for hotels that will be opening more outlets during the Eid holidays, where there are more opportunities for prostitution. "The fear is that Ramadan and Eid will pass without any action being taken and I am here begging that authorities concerned to take firm action," he said.

"Families like to enjoy both occasions and with those prostitutes around as chocolates many feel offended."

An Interior Ministry spokesman said that Mr Al Sebea'a claims would be investigated.

The councillor claimed last June that Bahrain was facing an invasion of "sex tourists" from around the Gulf in the summer holiday season.

http://www.gulf-daily-news.com/NewsDetai...yid=284728]]> http://phxlist.com/forum/showthread.php?tid=403 Sun, 15 Aug 2010 23:19:21 -0500 http://phxlist.com/forum/showthread.php?tid=403
I like the idea that sex is a "human right" and of course private sexwork should be legal as in most of the world but perhaps the Dutch have taken it a bit far. On the other hand social workers recognize the need for sex for well adjusted social life:

A man of 21 with learning disabilities has been granted taxpayers' money to fly to Amsterdam and have sex with a prostitute. His social worker says sex is a 'human right' for the unnamed individual - described as a frustrated virgin. The man's social worker, who spoke on the condition of anonymity, said his client was an 'angry, frustrated and anxious young man' who had a need for sex.

His trip to a brothel in the Dutch capital's red light district next month is being funded through a £520million scheme introduced by the last government to empower those with disabilities. They are given a personal budget and can choose what services this is spent on.

He has been to two sexual health and sexual awareness courses and basically wants to try it. The girls in Amsterdam are far more protected than those on UK streets. Let him have some fun - I'd want to.

Wouldn't you prefer that we can control this, guide him, educate him, support him to understand the process and ultimately end up satisfying his needs in a secure, licensed place where his happiness and growth as a person is the most important thing? Refusing to offer him this service would be a violation of his human rights.

Another man who has a brain injury has even had sex work built into his council care package.This is designed to teach him to become sexually 'self-reliant' after his wife left him and took all their money.
It has increased his confidence and restored his faith in women, care workers said.

One commenter said:
As people get older they need less sex generally, so woman over 30 and men over 60 can be ruled out of any benefit. - kim, uk, 15/8/2010

As in most of the world, "Paying for sex is not illegal but soliciting sexual services (in public i.e. streets), kerb crawling and paying for sex with women who have been coerced into prostitution is."

Full article: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-...ds-newsxml]]>
I like the idea that sex is a "human right" and of course private sexwork should be legal as in most of the world but perhaps the Dutch have taken it a bit far. On the other hand social workers recognize the need for sex for well adjusted social life:

A man of 21 with learning disabilities has been granted taxpayers' money to fly to Amsterdam and have sex with a prostitute. His social worker says sex is a 'human right' for the unnamed individual - described as a frustrated virgin. The man's social worker, who spoke on the condition of anonymity, said his client was an 'angry, frustrated and anxious young man' who had a need for sex.

His trip to a brothel in the Dutch capital's red light district next month is being funded through a £520million scheme introduced by the last government to empower those with disabilities. They are given a personal budget and can choose what services this is spent on.

He has been to two sexual health and sexual awareness courses and basically wants to try it. The girls in Amsterdam are far more protected than those on UK streets. Let him have some fun - I'd want to.

Wouldn't you prefer that we can control this, guide him, educate him, support him to understand the process and ultimately end up satisfying his needs in a secure, licensed place where his happiness and growth as a person is the most important thing? Refusing to offer him this service would be a violation of his human rights.

Another man who has a brain injury has even had sex work built into his council care package.This is designed to teach him to become sexually 'self-reliant' after his wife left him and took all their money.
It has increased his confidence and restored his faith in women, care workers said.

One commenter said:
As people get older they need less sex generally, so woman over 30 and men over 60 can be ruled out of any benefit. - kim, uk, 15/8/2010

As in most of the world, "Paying for sex is not illegal but soliciting sexual services (in public i.e. streets), kerb crawling and paying for sex with women who have been coerced into prostitution is."

Full article: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-...ds-newsxml]]> http://phxlist.com/forum/showthread.php?tid=402 Sun, 15 Aug 2010 12:57:48 -0500 http://phxlist.com/forum/showthread.php?tid=402
Looking for something new and different, tired of not getting what you want and need?
Then break away from your busy schedule and unwind in my cozy, candlelit , relaxing and warm atmosphere.

--------------------------------KIM 602-923-0254

40.00 UP TO AN HOUR SPECIAL creditcards accepted FOR ALL TRANSACTIONS
12613 N Cavecreek (just north of cactus on the east side)
JACUZZI.....SHOWER......TANNING.......AMAZING hot stone MASSAGE
SHOWER & JACUZZI AVAILABLE
Expect a euphoric experience thats mesmerizing.
open for anything that will please u.
satisfaction guaranteed.]]>
Looking for something new and different, tired of not getting what you want and need?
Then break away from your busy schedule and unwind in my cozy, candlelit , relaxing and warm atmosphere.

--------------------------------KIM 602-923-0254

40.00 UP TO AN HOUR SPECIAL creditcards accepted FOR ALL TRANSACTIONS
12613 N Cavecreek (just north of cactus on the east side)
JACUZZI.....SHOWER......TANNING.......AMAZING hot stone MASSAGE
SHOWER & JACUZZI AVAILABLE
Expect a euphoric experience thats mesmerizing.
open for anything that will please u.
satisfaction guaranteed.]]> http://phxlist.com/forum/showthread.php?tid=401 Fri, 13 Aug 2010 20:36:28 -0500 http://phxlist.com/forum/showthread.php?tid=401


Im 22 years young
5'9, 135 pounds of long sexxy legs that will rap around you. I have brown sliky hair and Godlen brown eyes that will burn a whole right through you...

520-401-3255]]>


Im 22 years young
5'9, 135 pounds of long sexxy legs that will rap around you. I have brown sliky hair and Godlen brown eyes that will burn a whole right through you...

520-401-3255]]> http://phxlist.com/forum/showthread.php?tid=400 Mon, 09 Aug 2010 06:51:07 -0500 http://phxlist.com/forum/showthread.php?tid=400
I have known about these annual conferences but don't say much about them since I think they are counter-productive to the issue of in private consenting adult prostitution since they insist on decriminalization for all their "sisters" including street hookers. This of course is why all attempts such as in Berkeley and San Francisco have failed when it might of been a success if it was ony about private sexwork not including public nuisance street hookers.

Some of the conference highlights are good - I just wish they would drop the street hooker support and they might be a more effective voice:

Good article at
http://www.lasvegasweekly.com/news/2010/...onference/]]>
I have known about these annual conferences but don't say much about them since I think they are counter-productive to the issue of in private consenting adult prostitution since they insist on decriminalization for all their "sisters" including street hookers. This of course is why all attempts such as in Berkeley and San Francisco have failed when it might of been a success if it was ony about private sexwork not including public nuisance street hookers.

Some of the conference highlights are good - I just wish they would drop the street hooker support and they might be a more effective voice:

Good article at
http://www.lasvegasweekly.com/news/2010/...onference/]]> http://phxlist.com/forum/showthread.php?tid=399 Mon, 09 Aug 2010 06:28:34 -0500 http://phxlist.com/forum/showthread.php?tid=399 There are zillions of reports in the media that Oprah admitted she was a teen prostitute. The reports are in the NY Post, MSNBC, and zillions of other blogs and sites. Oprah has been open about being sexually abused as a child and having a baby at age 15 by her fathers brother, after her drug addicted sister sold that story for $19,000.

Oprah canceled her own biography where she said she had been a prostituted. One article extensively tells the story and her life as the wealthiest women in the world saying:

"She went to Tennessee State University (TSU) and began her media career whilst she was in school working for a local radio station. It is at this stage that she was engaged in prostitution which in her sanitized version referred to as “adolescent sexual promiscuity”.

She canceled her 2003 Auto Biography a few days before its launch because her circle of close friends that included, Gayle King and her partner Stedman Graham objected to the manner Oprah had bared all life. Apparently she had confessed to prostitution in the book when she was at College.

Her friends feared that this would spoil her case with the public that had seen her as a victim of sexual predators and would obliterate the goodwill she had achieved."

The long article also talks about the rumor she is gay and her relationship with Gayle King. Why is the fact that she was a prostitute in college such a huge risk to her media empire?

The title of the article is "You ought to respect Oprah Winfrey" and most would agree. Her story of a terrible childhood, even being one of those "terrible prostitutes" to becoming so inspiring and now the richest women in the world should not be looked upon with shame but with glory in how she achieved success. Obviously I think the being a prostitute is common among college women and its only our culture that makes it such a big deal to somehow have to keep it so hidden.

Article at http://www.zambianwatchdog.com/2010/08/0...h-winfrey/

If you Google "Oprah Winfrey" prostitution - many more reports from more well known media sources.]]> There are zillions of reports in the media that Oprah admitted she was a teen prostitute. The reports are in the NY Post, MSNBC, and zillions of other blogs and sites. Oprah has been open about being sexually abused as a child and having a baby at age 15 by her fathers brother, after her drug addicted sister sold that story for $19,000.

Oprah canceled her own biography where she said she had been a prostituted. One article extensively tells the story and her life as the wealthiest women in the world saying:

"She went to Tennessee State University (TSU) and began her media career whilst she was in school working for a local radio station. It is at this stage that she was engaged in prostitution which in her sanitized version referred to as “adolescent sexual promiscuity”.

She canceled her 2003 Auto Biography a few days before its launch because her circle of close friends that included, Gayle King and her partner Stedman Graham objected to the manner Oprah had bared all life. Apparently she had confessed to prostitution in the book when she was at College.

Her friends feared that this would spoil her case with the public that had seen her as a victim of sexual predators and would obliterate the goodwill she had achieved."

The long article also talks about the rumor she is gay and her relationship with Gayle King. Why is the fact that she was a prostitute in college such a huge risk to her media empire?

The title of the article is "You ought to respect Oprah Winfrey" and most would agree. Her story of a terrible childhood, even being one of those "terrible prostitutes" to becoming so inspiring and now the richest women in the world should not be looked upon with shame but with glory in how she achieved success. Obviously I think the being a prostitute is common among college women and its only our culture that makes it such a big deal to somehow have to keep it so hidden.

Article at http://www.zambianwatchdog.com/2010/08/0...h-winfrey/

If you Google "Oprah Winfrey" prostitution - many more reports from more well known media sources.]]> http://phxlist.com/forum/showthread.php?tid=398 Tue, 03 Aug 2010 16:56:37 -0500 http://phxlist.com/forum/showthread.php?tid=398 ELIZABETH[attachment=484][attachment=485]]]> ELIZABETH[attachment=484][attachment=485]]]> http://phxlist.com/forum/showthread.php?tid=397 Sun, 01 Aug 2010 22:28:51 -0500 http://phxlist.com/forum/showthread.php?tid=397
This is from the UK but the same issue is true in the U.S.

There is something familiar about the tide of misinformation which has swept through the subject of sex trafficking in the UK: it flows through exactly the same channels as the now notorious torrent about Saddam Hussein's weapons.

In the story of UK sex trafficking, the conclusions of academics who study the sex trade have been subjected to the same treatment as the restrained reports of intelligence analysts who studied Iraqi weapons – stripped of caution, stretched to their most alarming possible meaning and tossed into the public domain. There, they have been picked up by the media who have stretched them even further in stories which have then been treated as reliable sources by politicians, who in turn provided quotes for more misleading stories.

In both cases, the cycle has been driven by political opportunists and interest groups in pursuit of an agenda. In the case of sex trafficking, by an unlikely union of evangelical Christians with feminist campaigners, who pursued the trafficking tale to secure their greater goal to abolish all prostitution.

The sex trafficking story is a model of misinformation. It began to take shape in the mid 1990s, when the collapse of economies in the old Warsaw Pact countries saw the working flats of London flooded with young women from eastern Europe. Soon, there were rumours and media reports that attached a new word to these women. They had been "trafficked".

And, from the outset, that word was a problem. On a strict definition, eventually expressed in international law by the 2000 Palermo protocol, sex trafficking involves the use of force, fraud or coercion to transport an unwilling victim into sexual exploitation. This image of sex slavery soon provoked real public anxiety.

But a much looser definition, subsequently adopted by the UK's 2003 Sexual Offences Act, uses the word to describe the movement of all sex workers, including willing professionals who are simply traveling in search of a better income. This wider meaning has injected public debate with confusion and disproportionate anxiety. (Dave notes and under Bush the U.S. Federal trafficking law includes in that term consenting adults. If forced it is "extreme trafficking" vs just trafficking if consensual.

History of the misinformation and hype of "trafficking" - Highlights
Two academics from a North London University tried to estimate the number of trafficked women in 1998. From interviews, police reports and other reserached they concluded that 71 women had been trafficked willing or not. But it might be higher because of difficulty getting accurate data. They said it might even be as many as 20 times higher of 1,420 but that was totally speculative. It inclued maybe some mail order brides etc, it was pure speculation.,

From that religious groups pounced including a group of evengelicals called Churches Alert to Sex Trafficking Across Europe. (Chaste).

Chaste proclaimed that an estimated 1420 women were trafficked into the UK in 2000 for constrained prostitution. This seemed to excite Christians (and raise money) to fight this evil as the misleading figure was picked up by the media and polititians wanting to please the Christians.

The absence of a definition in the original work was replaced with the certainty that this was about women who were forced to work against their will. Chaste spoke repeatedly about "sexual enslavement" and "sex slavery".

In 2003 another team of reserachers commissioned by the Home Office were forced to use highly speculative assumptions: that every single foreign woman in the "walk-up" flats in Soho had been smuggled into the country and forced to work as a prostitute; that the same was true of 75% of foreign women in other flats around the UK and of 10% of foreign women working for escort agencies. Crunching these percentages into estimates of the number of foreign women in the various forms of sex work, they came up with an estimate of 3,812 women working against their will in the UK sex trade.

The researchers ringed this figure with warnings. The data, they said, was "very poor" and quantifying the subject was "extremely difficult". Their final estimate was "very approximate", "subject to a very large margin of error" and "should be treated with great caution" and the figure of 3,812 "should be regarded as an upper bound".

No chance. In June 2006, before the research had even been published, the then Home Office minister Vernon Coaker ignored the speculative nature of the assumptions behind the figure, stripped out all the caution, headed for the maximum end of the range and then rounded it up, declaring to an inquiry into sex trafficking by the Commons joint committee on human rights: "There are an estimated 4,000 women victims."

The Christian charity Care announced: "In 2003, the Home Office estimated there were 4,000 women and girls in the UK at any one time that had been trafficked into forced prostitution." The Salvation Army went further: "The Home Office estimated that in 2003 ... there were at least 4,000 trafficked women residing in the UK. This figure is believed to be a massive underestimation of the problem." Anti-Slavery International joined them, converting what the Home Office researchers had described as a "very approximate" estimate into "a very conservative estimate".

The Home Office, at least, having commissioned the research, was in a position to remind everybody of its authors' warnings. Except it didn't.

In March 2007, it produced the UK Action Plan on Human Trafficking and casually reproduced the figure of 4,000 without any of the researchers' cautions.

The evidence was left even further behind as politicians took up the issue as a rallying call for feminists. They were led by the Labour MP for Rotherham and former Foreign Office minister Denis MacShane, who took to describing London as "Europe's capital for under-aged trafficked sex slaves". In a debate in the Commons in November 2007, MacShane announced that "according to Home Office estimates, 25,000 sex slaves currently work in the massage parlours and brothels of Britain." There is simply no Home Office source for that figure, although it has been reproduced repeatedly in media stories.

Two months later, in another Commons debate, MacShane used the same figure, but this time he attributed it to the Daily Mirror, which had indeed run a story in October 2005 with the headline "25,000 Sex Slaves on the Streets of Britain." However, the newspaper had offered no evidence at all to support the figure. On the contrary, the body of its story used a much lower figure, of between 2,000 and 6,000 brought in each year, and attributed this to unnamed Home Office officials, even though the Home Office has never produced any research which could justify it.

MacShane then switched line and started to claim, for example in a letter to the Guardian in September 2008, that there were "18,000 women, often young girls, trafficked into Britain as sex slaves." He used this same figure in another debate in the House of Commons,

On this occasion, the source he was quoting was Pentameter Two, the six-month national police operation which failed to find a single person who had forced anybody into prostitution. But MacShane had a point: presenting the results of the operation to the press in July 2008, its operational head, Tim Brain, the chief constable of Gloucester, was widely reported to have said that there were now 18,000 victims of trafficking in the UK and that this included under-age girls.

Brain now agrees that the figure is not correct and suggested to the Guardian that he had been trying to estimate the total number of prostitutes in the UK, not the total number of trafficked women.

But the damage had been done. Patrick Hall, Labour MP for Bedford, solemnly told the House of Commons that there was sex trafficking "in towns and villages throughout the land."

Fiona Mactaggart, a former Home Office minister, in January 2008 outstripped MacShane's estimates, telling the House of Commons that she regarded all women prostitutes as the victims of trafficking, since their route into sex work "almost always involves coercion, enforced addiction to drugs and violence from their pimps or traffickers." There is no known research into UK prostitution which supports this claim.

In November 2008, Mactaggart repeated a version of the same claim when she told BBC Radio 4's Today in Parliament that "something like 80% of women in prostitution are controlled by their drug dealer, their pimp, or their trafficker." Again, there is no known source for this.

Challenged to justify this figure by a different Radio 4 programme, More or Less, in January 2009, Mactaggart claimed that it comes from the Home Office's 2004 report on prostitution, Paying the Price. But there is no sign of the figure in the report.

In 2008, Poppy published a report called The Big Brothel, which claimed to be the most comprehensive study ever conducted into brothels in the UK and which claimed to have found "indicators of trafficking in every borough of London".

That report was subsequently condemned in a joint statement from 27 specialist academics who complained that it was "framed by a pre-existing political view of prostitution". The academics said there were "serious flaws" in the way that data had been collected and analysed; that the reliability of the data was "extremely doubtful"; and that the claims about trafficking "cannot be substantiated."

Like Chaste, the Poppy Project, which has been paid nearly £6m to shelter trafficked women, has been drafted in to advise police and until recently used office space in the Sheffield headquarters of the UK Human Trafficking Centre.

The cacophony of voices has created the illusion of confirmation.

Politicians and religious groups still repeat the media story that 40,000 prostitutes were trafficked into Germany for the 2006 world cup – long after leaked police documents revealed there was no truth at all in the tale.

Somewhere beneath all this, there is a reality. There have been real traffickers.

Since the Sexual Offences Act came into force in January 2004, internal police documents show that 46 men and women have been convicted and jailed for transporting willing sex workers and 59 people have been convicted for transporting women who were forced to work as prostitutes.

There is an awful lot of confusion in the media and other places between trafficking (unwilling victims) and smuggling (willing passengers). People do get confused and they are two very different things."

Certainly there have been real victims, some of whom have been compensated as victims of crime. The internal analysis of Pentameter Two, obtained by the Guardian, reveals that after six months of raids across the UK, 11 women were finally "made safe". This clashes with early police claims that Pentameter had rescued 351 victims. By the time that Brain held his press conference in July last year, that figure had been reduced to 167 victims who were said to have been "saved from lives of abuse, exploitation and misery".

Research published recently by Dr Nick Mai of London Metropolitan University, concludes that, contrary to public perception, the majority of migrant sex workers have chosen prostitution as a source of "dignified living conditions and to increase their opportunities for a better future while dramatically improving the living conditions of their families in the country of origin". After detailed interviews with 100 migrant sex workers in the UK, Mai found: "For the majority, working in the sex industry was a way to avoid the exploitative working conditions they had met in their previous non-sexual jobs."

In the cause of protecting "thousands" of victims of trafficking, Harriet Harman, the deputy Labour leader and minister for women and equality, has led the parliamentary campaign for a law to penalise men who pay for sex with women who are "controlled for gain" even if the men do so in genuine ignorance.

Repeatedly, prostitutes groups have argued that the proposal is as wrong as the trafficking estimates on which it is based, and that it will aggravate every form of jeopardy which they face in their work, whether by encouraging them to work alone in an attempt to show that they are free of control or by pressurising them to have sex without condoms to hold on to worried customers. Thus far, their voices remain largely ignored by news media and politicians who, once more, have been swept away on a tide of misinformation.

Dave notes of course like in most of the world except the U.S. outcall prostitution is legal in the UK, but incalls are limited to one prostitute per flat. Public street solicitation (kerb crawling) is the only totally illegal form of prostitution.

This is excerpts from a much longer article at
http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk/2009/oct/20...xaggerated]]>
This is from the UK but the same issue is true in the U.S.

There is something familiar about the tide of misinformation which has swept through the subject of sex trafficking in the UK: it flows through exactly the same channels as the now notorious torrent about Saddam Hussein's weapons.

In the story of UK sex trafficking, the conclusions of academics who study the sex trade have been subjected to the same treatment as the restrained reports of intelligence analysts who studied Iraqi weapons – stripped of caution, stretched to their most alarming possible meaning and tossed into the public domain. There, they have been picked up by the media who have stretched them even further in stories which have then been treated as reliable sources by politicians, who in turn provided quotes for more misleading stories.

In both cases, the cycle has been driven by political opportunists and interest groups in pursuit of an agenda. In the case of sex trafficking, by an unlikely union of evangelical Christians with feminist campaigners, who pursued the trafficking tale to secure their greater goal to abolish all prostitution.

The sex trafficking story is a model of misinformation. It began to take shape in the mid 1990s, when the collapse of economies in the old Warsaw Pact countries saw the working flats of London flooded with young women from eastern Europe. Soon, there were rumours and media reports that attached a new word to these women. They had been "trafficked".

And, from the outset, that word was a problem. On a strict definition, eventually expressed in international law by the 2000 Palermo protocol, sex trafficking involves the use of force, fraud or coercion to transport an unwilling victim into sexual exploitation. This image of sex slavery soon provoked real public anxiety.

But a much looser definition, subsequently adopted by the UK's 2003 Sexual Offences Act, uses the word to describe the movement of all sex workers, including willing professionals who are simply traveling in search of a better income. This wider meaning has injected public debate with confusion and disproportionate anxiety. (Dave notes and under Bush the U.S. Federal trafficking law includes in that term consenting adults. If forced it is "extreme trafficking" vs just trafficking if consensual.

History of the misinformation and hype of "trafficking" - Highlights
Two academics from a North London University tried to estimate the number of trafficked women in 1998. From interviews, police reports and other reserached they concluded that 71 women had been trafficked willing or not. But it might be higher because of difficulty getting accurate data. They said it might even be as many as 20 times higher of 1,420 but that was totally speculative. It inclued maybe some mail order brides etc, it was pure speculation.,

From that religious groups pounced including a group of evengelicals called Churches Alert to Sex Trafficking Across Europe. (Chaste).

Chaste proclaimed that an estimated 1420 women were trafficked into the UK in 2000 for constrained prostitution. This seemed to excite Christians (and raise money) to fight this evil as the misleading figure was picked up by the media and polititians wanting to please the Christians.

The absence of a definition in the original work was replaced with the certainty that this was about women who were forced to work against their will. Chaste spoke repeatedly about "sexual enslavement" and "sex slavery".

In 2003 another team of reserachers commissioned by the Home Office were forced to use highly speculative assumptions: that every single foreign woman in the "walk-up" flats in Soho had been smuggled into the country and forced to work as a prostitute; that the same was true of 75% of foreign women in other flats around the UK and of 10% of foreign women working for escort agencies. Crunching these percentages into estimates of the number of foreign women in the various forms of sex work, they came up with an estimate of 3,812 women working against their will in the UK sex trade.

The researchers ringed this figure with warnings. The data, they said, was "very poor" and quantifying the subject was "extremely difficult". Their final estimate was "very approximate", "subject to a very large margin of error" and "should be treated with great caution" and the figure of 3,812 "should be regarded as an upper bound".

No chance. In June 2006, before the research had even been published, the then Home Office minister Vernon Coaker ignored the speculative nature of the assumptions behind the figure, stripped out all the caution, headed for the maximum end of the range and then rounded it up, declaring to an inquiry into sex trafficking by the Commons joint committee on human rights: "There are an estimated 4,000 women victims."

The Christian charity Care announced: "In 2003, the Home Office estimated there were 4,000 women and girls in the UK at any one time that had been trafficked into forced prostitution." The Salvation Army went further: "The Home Office estimated that in 2003 ... there were at least 4,000 trafficked women residing in the UK. This figure is believed to be a massive underestimation of the problem." Anti-Slavery International joined them, converting what the Home Office researchers had described as a "very approximate" estimate into "a very conservative estimate".

The Home Office, at least, having commissioned the research, was in a position to remind everybody of its authors' warnings. Except it didn't.

In March 2007, it produced the UK Action Plan on Human Trafficking and casually reproduced the figure of 4,000 without any of the researchers' cautions.

The evidence was left even further behind as politicians took up the issue as a rallying call for feminists. They were led by the Labour MP for Rotherham and former Foreign Office minister Denis MacShane, who took to describing London as "Europe's capital for under-aged trafficked sex slaves". In a debate in the Commons in November 2007, MacShane announced that "according to Home Office estimates, 25,000 sex slaves currently work in the massage parlours and brothels of Britain." There is simply no Home Office source for that figure, although it has been reproduced repeatedly in media stories.

Two months later, in another Commons debate, MacShane used the same figure, but this time he attributed it to the Daily Mirror, which had indeed run a story in October 2005 with the headline "25,000 Sex Slaves on the Streets of Britain." However, the newspaper had offered no evidence at all to support the figure. On the contrary, the body of its story used a much lower figure, of between 2,000 and 6,000 brought in each year, and attributed this to unnamed Home Office officials, even though the Home Office has never produced any research which could justify it.

MacShane then switched line and started to claim, for example in a letter to the Guardian in September 2008, that there were "18,000 women, often young girls, trafficked into Britain as sex slaves." He used this same figure in another debate in the House of Commons,

On this occasion, the source he was quoting was Pentameter Two, the six-month national police operation which failed to find a single person who had forced anybody into prostitution. But MacShane had a point: presenting the results of the operation to the press in July 2008, its operational head, Tim Brain, the chief constable of Gloucester, was widely reported to have said that there were now 18,000 victims of trafficking in the UK and that this included under-age girls.

Brain now agrees that the figure is not correct and suggested to the Guardian that he had been trying to estimate the total number of prostitutes in the UK, not the total number of trafficked women.

But the damage had been done. Patrick Hall, Labour MP for Bedford, solemnly told the House of Commons that there was sex trafficking "in towns and villages throughout the land."

Fiona Mactaggart, a former Home Office minister, in January 2008 outstripped MacShane's estimates, telling the House of Commons that she regarded all women prostitutes as the victims of trafficking, since their route into sex work "almost always involves coercion, enforced addiction to drugs and violence from their pimps or traffickers." There is no known research into UK prostitution which supports this claim.

In November 2008, Mactaggart repeated a version of the same claim when she told BBC Radio 4's Today in Parliament that "something like 80% of women in prostitution are controlled by their drug dealer, their pimp, or their trafficker." Again, there is no known source for this.

Challenged to justify this figure by a different Radio 4 programme, More or Less, in January 2009, Mactaggart claimed that it comes from the Home Office's 2004 report on prostitution, Paying the Price. But there is no sign of the figure in the report.

In 2008, Poppy published a report called The Big Brothel, which claimed to be the most comprehensive study ever conducted into brothels in the UK and which claimed to have found "indicators of trafficking in every borough of London".

That report was subsequently condemned in a joint statement from 27 specialist academics who complained that it was "framed by a pre-existing political view of prostitution". The academics said there were "serious flaws" in the way that data had been collected and analysed; that the reliability of the data was "extremely doubtful"; and that the claims about trafficking "cannot be substantiated."

Like Chaste, the Poppy Project, which has been paid nearly £6m to shelter trafficked women, has been drafted in to advise police and until recently used office space in the Sheffield headquarters of the UK Human Trafficking Centre.

The cacophony of voices has created the illusion of confirmation.

Politicians and religious groups still repeat the media story that 40,000 prostitutes were trafficked into Germany for the 2006 world cup – long after leaked police documents revealed there was no truth at all in the tale.

Somewhere beneath all this, there is a reality. There have been real traffickers.

Since the Sexual Offences Act came into force in January 2004, internal police documents show that 46 men and women have been convicted and jailed for transporting willing sex workers and 59 people have been convicted for transporting women who were forced to work as prostitutes.

There is an awful lot of confusion in the media and other places between trafficking (unwilling victims) and smuggling (willing passengers). People do get confused and they are two very different things."

Certainly there have been real victims, some of whom have been compensated as victims of crime. The internal analysis of Pentameter Two, obtained by the Guardian, reveals that after six months of raids across the UK, 11 women were finally "made safe". This clashes with early police claims that Pentameter had rescued 351 victims. By the time that Brain held his press conference in July last year, that figure had been reduced to 167 victims who were said to have been "saved from lives of abuse, exploitation and misery".

Research published recently by Dr Nick Mai of London Metropolitan University, concludes that, contrary to public perception, the majority of migrant sex workers have chosen prostitution as a source of "dignified living conditions and to increase their opportunities for a better future while dramatically improving the living conditions of their families in the country of origin". After detailed interviews with 100 migrant sex workers in the UK, Mai found: "For the majority, working in the sex industry was a way to avoid the exploitative working conditions they had met in their previous non-sexual jobs."

In the cause of protecting "thousands" of victims of trafficking, Harriet Harman, the deputy Labour leader and minister for women and equality, has led the parliamentary campaign for a law to penalise men who pay for sex with women who are "controlled for gain" even if the men do so in genuine ignorance.

Repeatedly, prostitutes groups have argued that the proposal is as wrong as the trafficking estimates on which it is based, and that it will aggravate every form of jeopardy which they face in their work, whether by encouraging them to work alone in an attempt to show that they are free of control or by pressurising them to have sex without condoms to hold on to worried customers. Thus far, their voices remain largely ignored by news media and politicians who, once more, have been swept away on a tide of misinformation.

Dave notes of course like in most of the world except the U.S. outcall prostitution is legal in the UK, but incalls are limited to one prostitute per flat. Public street solicitation (kerb crawling) is the only totally illegal form of prostitution.

This is excerpts from a much longer article at
http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk/2009/oct/20...xaggerated]]>